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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post

    It would be sad to see his ventures go belly up.
    Sad for the US taxpayer, maybe. 200 years ago he'd have been tarred and feathered, or run out of town on a rail. If he puts a Tesla in orbit around Mars, I suggest that he crews it. Only fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post

    But in general you are right - the world as a whole benefits from those people who are willing to risk a lot of their own money to pursue their dreams
    There is the rub. Musk is risking US taxpayer's money, not his. His whole empire is based on subsidies from the taxpayer, so no risk for him. Musk will be just fine, win or lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift View Post
    would need a long use-by date....
    So does XXXX in the civilised world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    Why? How long did it take the Tesla to get out beyond the orbit of Mars? A week?
    I know they are quick, Mick, but are you sure??
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntins View Post
    There is the rub. Musk is risking US taxpayer's money, not his. His whole empire is based on subsidies from the taxpayer, so no risk for him. Musk will be just fine, win or lose.
    I'm not sure where that comes from - as far as I can determine at a quick look, SpaceX has had no US taxpayer subsidies, being financed from private funds, including Musk's own money, plus deposits for launch services (some of which will be from the US taxpayer, but these launches cost the US taxpayer less than any available alternatives).

    Musk himself is a multibillionaire (Wikipedia says about $20, but his money did not come from any form of subsidy - it came from IT, specifically selling two startup companies. The first, Zip2, was sold to Compaq, The second, and online payments system, X.com merged with another company, Confinity, to become paypal, which was sold to ebay, with Musk's payment in ebay shares being the foundation of his fortune, as these shares rose significantly.

    I can't find any evidence of large subsidies for Tesla, but even if they have had subsidies, I suspect they pale compared to the subsidies granted to major car manufacturers in the US following the GFC. And are irrelevant, seeing that SpaceX is not cross-subsidised from Tesla - both companies are losing money at the moment, I suspect, but are able to get private capital because the investors expect them to be successful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntins View Post
    So does XXXX in the civilised world.
    if by civilised you mean whatever the Kardashians are telling you to do/drink/wear this week,,,


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    I wonder what the warranty is on his Tesla in space - he might have to extend the distance a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxic_Avenger View Post
    OT, but this doesn't bother me.
    Efficacy of the molecule is the same in the generic post patent. But within patent, I recall they can alter the drug molecule to keep the active site as-is but change a salt or other functional groups on the molecule to squeeze it in under a new patent (of course after all the clinical trials).

    Trying to recall the numbers, but everyone's favourite statin, Lipitor, for lowering cholesterol, had a $12Bn R&D investement behind it over the course of its development. This investment was returned in the first 2 weeks of the drug's release. Not bad money if you can get it!
    Trump is very upset about PBAC haha

    He basically said Australia need to respect American intellectual property...

    I guess we are lucky because PBAC is such a bitch to negotiate with so that we always/usually get the best price... But from the perspective of pharmaceutical companis, you will hate PBAC to death.....

    And now Trump is helping these big pharmas, pressing Australian government...Let's see what would come out of it..

    P.S PBAC keep her negotiated prices secret... Just imagine what could happen if that leaks.... Aussie pay $50 while the rest of the world is paying $150 (don't get me wrong, I am proud of PBAC. Especially when they beat the **** out of big pharma

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    I can't find any evidence of large subsidies for Tesla, but even if they have had subsidies,
    Mate one minute on a Google search would reveal a lot. Try "Tesla Subsidies"

    Each car maker in the US has to pay Tesla about USD12000 for every Tesla sold to act as credits against the CAFE standard for fuel economy.

    If you just Google Tesla subsidies
    It looks like the state of California is bailing out Tesla - Business Insider
    =$7500 per car.
    California rebates are planned for the difference in price between an electric car and a normal car up to $40K.
    Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies
    LA Times estimates $4.9BILLION in subsidies.

    There that took about 1 minute


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