Thread: DPF's the end of diesel cars in cities?

Originally Posted by goingbush

No more Gensets, here is the answer to EV range anxiety , until battery tech catches up .

MiTRE Range Extender - tiny turbine power removes EV range anxiety [First Looks] - YouTube

That's a small footprint for 15KW. Not sure on its efficiencies but tech like this will be a good and nessesary filler between now and full electric car life.

Originally Posted by trout1105

I can't see electric cars becoming commonplace in remote areas for at least a decade or two especially as touring/overlanding 4WD's.
Remote travel will still be done using petrol/diesel power, Maybe some sort of hybrid could fit the bill because charging up would be problematic in remote areas.
Yes you could carry a genset to recharge but that defeats the purpose of going electric ln the first place and you would have to carry fuel for the genset anyway.
Solar panels could be the answer But as these are only of use during daylight the time it would take to recharge would severely limit the time spent actually having fun driving in the bush, You could travel at night But that "Sucks" as you can't see the scenery you came out Bush for in the first place.
We are not in any imminent danger of running out of fossil fuels So I can see that electric cars will be limited to the cities and towns where there is the infrastructure in place to support them and Petrol/diesel will still be King in the Bush.
You blokes in the cities can have your "Lectric" cars and good luck to you ( at least the city won't "Pong" as much on my rare visits in future) But I will be sticking to my "Dinosaur juice" 4WD's as long as I possibly can even if they do have to have that bloody DPF fitted to them

A decade isn't long - I think your about right on the money there. I also agree that remote areas will be the last adopters of this tech. Australia is a unique Country to be taling about this due to it's vast size compared to extremly low population density. Other Countries will sort themselves far quicker than we can, but think about it - if we can make make it work here, then it will work anywhere. 👍😊

Exciting times to be alive IMO...

Originally Posted by goingbush

Internal Combustion is going the way of the DoDo , its going to become rather quaint like Horse Drawn Vehicles & Steam Vehicles are now !!

I can't help smiling watching this dashcam clip from my Electric Landy , I can feel the Amps just watching ! How could anyone not love it ??

You have got to take me for a ride in that at some point really soon! 👍😊

Originally Posted by goingbush

Internal Combustion is going the way of the DoDo , its going to become rather quaint like Horse Drawn Vehicles & Steam Vehicles are now !!

I can't help smiling watching this dashcam clip from my Electric Landy , I can feel the Amps just watching ! How could anyone not love it ??

I have beenwatching your project
Hehe
Very jealous too

When the 2.2 in my defender crap out, I hope there will be a affordable and DIYable EV system for off-road vehicle.

There will be a huge market for it

Originally Posted by trout1105

I can't see electric cars becoming commonplace in remote areas for at least a decade or two especially as touring/overlanding 4WD's.
Remote travel will still be done using petrol/diesel power, Maybe some sort of hybrid could fit the bill because charging up would be problematic in remote areas.
Yes you could carry a genset to recharge but that defeats the purpose of going electric ln the first place and you would have to carry fuel for the genset anyway.
Solar panels could be the answer But as these are only of use during daylight the time it would take to recharge would severely limit the time spent actually having fun driving in the bush, You could travel at night But that "Sucks" as you can't see the scenery you came out Bush for in the first place.
We are not in any imminent danger of running out of fossil fuels So I can see that electric cars will be limited to the cities and towns where there is the infrastructure in place to support them and Petrol/diesel will still be King in the Bush.
You blokes in the cities can have your "Lectric" cars and good luck to you ( at least the city won't "Pong" as much on my rare visits in future) But I will be sticking to my "Dinosaur juice" 4WD's as long as I possibly can even if they do have to have that bloody DPF fitted to them

I agrees

The best thing about Electric vehicle is it's zero emmision at the car level. And only at the car level.

The government will have strong incentive to promote electric Vehicle due to savings on healthcare.
This is not climate change blablabla

The reduced diesels/petrol exhaust will reduce prevalence of athsma, lung cancer, bladder cancer, COPD etc...These will result in a significant savings on Medicare.
And obviously the higher population density, the higher cost savings.

So it really wouldn't surprise me, to say, in 2030 only electric Vehicle can enter metro area. maybe the dinosaur vehicle can still enter but have to pay special toll

Another thing people have to realise about diesel refuelling in the bush: you get a truck to install a holding tank, then you truck out fuel to fill it up, then you truck out fuel to fill it up, ad nauseum. With electric refuelling, you get a truck to take a container full of batteries and a container full of panels, then set them up round the back of the pit stop. That's it, until you move it to the next location. I can see mining companies doing their sums and going for a predominately electric fleet with some diesel backup. The whole thing is just a matter of economics, and that will progressively change over the next 10 to 20 years.

Can you imagine the sheer size of the solar array and the amount of battery storage that would be needed to run a fleet of dump trucks on a minesite that runs 24/7 and these arrays and battery storage would have to be mobile because of the changing nature of developing Minesites.
We are talking trucks that can weigh 400t loaded going up and down ramps that usually have huge diesel motors driving generators to run the wheel motors at the moment, Where would you fit all the batteries needed to run the truck without compromising its carrying capacity?
Maybe a fleet of LV's could be run But the Big machinery would need a quantum leap in battery technology to run on electricity.

This is the largest dump truck at the moment.
Electric Mobility: World's Largest Truck - Mobility & Motors - Pictures of the Future - Innovation - Home - Siemens Global Website
It has 4 separate wheel motors that are powered by 2x 1,700kw 16 cylinder diesel engines, It will take quite a few solar panels to run this puppy.

Originally Posted by trout1105

Can you imagine the sheer size of the solar array and the amount of battery storage that would be needed to run a fleet of dump trucks on a minesite that runs 24/7 and these arrays and battery storage would have to be mobile because of the changing nature of developing Minesites.
We are talking trucks that can weigh 400t loaded going up and down ramps that usually have huge diesel motors driving generators to run the wheel motors at the moment, Where would you fit all the batteries needed to run the truck without compromising its carrying capacity?
Maybe a fleet of LV's could be run But the Big machinery would need a quantum leap in battery technology to run on electricity.

This is the largest dump truck at the moment.
Electric Mobility: World's Largest Truck - Mobility & Motors - Pictures of the Future - Innovation - Home - Siemens Global Website
It has 4 separate wheel motors that are powered by 2x 1,700kw 16 cylinder diesel engines, It will take quite a few solar panels to run this puppy.

Yep, looks like 100% renewable is too huge a problem, so why bother trying, eh?

Meanwhile, in Switzerland a prototype battery converted dump truck uses negative amounts of energy to move ore from a mountain top mine to the processing works below. The excess energy is fed back into the local grid. Regenerative braking is just as much a bonus for large trucks as it is for the smallest.

This dumper truck is the world’s largest electric vehicle with a massive 700 kWh battery pack | Electrek

There are 100% electric short trip ferries now operating in Norway too. Again, once the sums are done and it's economic sense to do so, transport goes electric.