Are the days of home vehicle repair coming to an end

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Originally Posted by Eevo

some manufacturers now days are making servicing at home harder. no sump oil plug. have to extract the oil from above.

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They don't even come with a dipstick either.
The more complex the electronics get on a car/truck/tractor the more the stealers have you by the short an curlies.

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Originally Posted by Tote

The John Deere case is worse than just modifying your ECU. Because all the components such as the gearbox(for example) are coded to the main ECU an "unauthorised" gearbox swap would make the tractor inoperable without the dealer resetting the ECU. As stated there are lots of ways around the problem (Firstly by not buying a JD) and the EU prevents such behavior by companies, hence the unencrypted firmware available on the net. I reckon JD have as much of a long term chance of making their "anti piracy" measures stick as Village Roadshow have of stopping movie piracy. Even worse for JD one $250,000 tractor that was held to ransom over a repair would be the last one bought by most cockies. To my knowledge AGCO and CNH aren't playing the game to the same extent.

Regards,
Tote

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Will JD TRiUMP in this case?

DL

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Originally Posted by Eevo

some manufacturers now days are making servicing at home harder. no sump oil plug. have to extract the oil from above.

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Home use evacuation kits are pretty cheap and save mess on the driveway. I've got a big one now and use it all the time. The first time I drain a vehicle with the vac tank I remove the sump plug after the vac to see how much it misses. If it's a trivial amount or none, the sump plug stays put from then on.

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Originally Posted by bee utey

Home use evacuation kits are pretty cheap and save mess on the driveway. I've got a big one now and use it all the time. The first time I drain a vehicle with the vac tank I remove the sump plug after the vac to see how much it misses. If it's a trivial amount or none, the sump plug stays put from then on.

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for sure, but the point is manufactures are trying to discourage home servicing so the serving dept can make more money

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I’ve got the full binary dumps and I can not see it in there anywhere..

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Open the file as a text file on a PC and its all there.
Regards Philip A

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Originally Posted by Eevo

for sure, but the point is manufactures are trying to discourage home servicing so the serving dept can make more money

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Been that way for decades. It's like security fasteners to try and stop you getting into things or D2 trannies not having filler tubes. Tools and instructions to get around these kinds of things appear on the market PDQ.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Open the file as a text file on a PC and its all there.
Regards Philip A

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Me thinks you have one that’s been played with...

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Originally Posted by Eevo

for sure, but the point is manufactures are trying to discourage home servicing so the serving dept can make more money

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I'm not sure that's the driving factor but a knock on effect. If you don't Drill a hole, tap it, get one supplier to supply a sump plug, another to supply a copper washer and you produce a million cars of that model, how much money would you save?

home servicing is becoming less common simply due to the complexity of modern cars. We demand more and more features that the common consumer can't deal with.

I dont work in the trade anymore but have a hoist and all my tools and the first question I get is will it void my warranty. Guys I know at work that would have chang d their own oil and brake pads a few years ago just can't be arsed now because it's just too complex.

Spot on I reckon!

That and people seem to be more “time poor”/disorganised or just CBF..

Have we got any young members here to comment on this?

A lot of us here are not young anymore and have been through the phase where it was almost a necessity to do home services. The points would pit and the plug gap would widen, the "water" in the radiator would get dirty , even muddy. Those of us keen enough would grease suspension joints etc...

If these things weren't done regularly....even in between service schedules....the vehicles performance and operation would deteriorate.

Most of those tasks were easy to do, accessibility was easy , several hand tools did the whole lot.

Modern vehicles with their excellent lubricants , fluids , ignition systems(ecu's) , much higher quality and endurable components don't require any attention for a year and more.

This makes most of the things we are talking about superfluous.

The engine oil in my ranger hardly changes colour, neither does the gearbox etc etc , nor the cooling fluid, nothing goes "out of tune".

I think we forget this and most younger people with late model vehicles will never have cause to do "home servicing".....there is nothing to do.