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    Solar Panels - What to get??

    Hi All,

    I am currently looking into getting solar panels installed and have a bunch of information to sift through, I thought I might 'Think-Out-Loud' here and see what comes back

    I have a couple of quotes for 5kw systems with string inverters that range from $3700 to $13000 for a similar setup. The cheapest is a company called "More Green Energy" which appears to be 3 years old and Indian owned. The $13000 quote is way overpriced - I can get better gear from a locally owned company for about $10k, using Samsung NeON 2 panels and a Fronius Inverter.

    I have also got a quote for a 5kW system using Q-Cell panels and Enphase micro-inverters for $9500. On reading up on the benefits of this system the main 2 are each panel is working to its max efficiency, and the system overall is not limited by the weakest panel (such as a panel in shade). It also means that if one panel or inverter goes, the whole system is not compromised. As I will have panels in 2 different orientations this is a concern. I can also increase the system size by just plugging in new panels/inverters.

    My questions are:
    1. Anyone had or heard of experiences with More Green Energy? They offered Canadian Solar panels and a Fronius inverter for under $5k installed. It seems to good to be true, but online reviews are mixed, with (apparently) some very happy customers. Most complaints seem to come down to workmanship.
    2. Are micro inverter systems worth it? There products are a higher quality, the warranties are slightly better, and I have seen performance figures of 3 - 15% more energy production than conventional string systems, but at literally double the price and double the Return on Investment I am not sure if it is worth it. I would like a bigger system in the future but not sure if the local government will allow bigger than 5kw (apparently they will allow up to 9kw)
    3. Reading up on inverters, the string inverters need about 80V total to start sending electricity to the grid, while each micro inverter apparently starts producing electricity at 22V per panel. Here's the data sheet for the micro inverters, and the data sheet for the string inverter. I don't know what minimum voltage the panels produce (here's the Canadian Solar datasheet for those that do) so am not sure what effect this will have on the system effectiveness. I do know that larger inverters have a higher starting voltage, hence matching your inverter to your system is important.


    Looking forward to hearing your thoughts, Brains Trust.

    Cheers

    Dan
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    I’m still a noob with solar but we are still in the process of installing a 5kw system, with Q-Cell and Fronius inverter for $5700. I ordered in December got the panels installed in Feb and now just waiting for my electricity supplier to update my meter, which will be sometime in March. So patience is required. There seems to be a lot of companies out there. The one I’m using is ok just slow. I had a quick look at micro inverters but it was out of a price range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goofyr View Post
    I’m still a noob with solar but we are still in the process of installing a 5kw system, with Q-Cell and Fronius inverter for $5700. I ordered in December got the panels installed in Feb and now just waiting for my electricity supplier to update my meter, which will be sometime in March. So patience is required. There seems to be a lot of companies out there. The one I’m using is ok just slow. I had a quick look at micro inverters but it was out of a price range.
    Thanks Goofyr,

    Are they a well known company? That's a pretty good price for Q-Cell and Fronius gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco-tastic View Post
    I would like a bigger system in the future but not sure if the local government will allow bigger than 5kw (apparently they will allow up to 9kw)

    ...Looking forward to hearing your thoughts, Brains Trust.
    Some considerations perhaps

    1) Usually the 5kw limit applies to what is potentially able to be feed back into the grid and therefore applies to the inverter, not to the total output of the panels. For instance you may be able to install 6kw of panels hooked to a 5kw inverter. You can get away with this because most of the time you will actually be producing less than 5kw total from the panels even though you have installed greater capacity. When you do produce more than 5kw the inverter just wastes the excess as heat. The advantage is you always produce more available power from 6kw than by installing only 5kw. How much extra power above 5kw your inverter can handle depends upon the inverters specifications. Whether this is worth it depends on your power needs and time of use.

    2) Battery power banks are coming down in cost all the time and may justify adding panels in the future. Which ever way you go (string or micro inverter) will your current inverter purchase support a battery bank in the future without having to replace / repurchase already installed hardware?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferret View Post
    Some considerations perhaps

    1) Usually the 5kw limit applies to what is potentially able to be feed back into the grid and therefore applies to the inverter, not to the total output of the panels. For instance you may be able to install 6kw of panels hooked to a 5kw inverter. You can get away with this because most of the time you will actually be producing less than 5kw total from the panels even though you have installed greater capacity. When you do produce more than 5kw the inverter just wastes the excess as heat. The advantage is you always produce more available power from 6kw than by installing only 5kw. How much extra power above 5kw your inverter can handle depends upon the inverters specifications. Whether this is worth it depends on your power needs and time of use.

    2) Battery power banks are coming down in cost all the time and may justify adding panels in the future. Which ever way you go (string or micro inverter) will your current inverter purchase support a battery bank in the future without having to replace / repurchase already installed hardware?
    Thanks Ferret,

    All good with Number 1 - I have my head around that.

    Number 2 is a bit trickier - if I go bigger with a string inverter I will either need to install separate system or purchase a new inverter. For the micro inverters I just need to plug in the extra panels/inverters. All inverters I'm looking at a battery compatible. It is something we would think of in the future, however isn't affordable at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco-tastic View Post
    Thanks Goofyr,

    Are they a well known company? That's a pretty good price for Q-Cell and Fronius gear.
    I went with Skylight Energy. They gave me the best quote and package configuration. They’re just not great with comms but they installed everything pretty well and once I got hold of someone on the phone, they were ok to deal with. I found them on solarquotes.

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    You can get export limiting inverters. They cpuld he say 10kw but limited to export only 5kw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    You can get export limiting inverters. They cpuld he say 10kw but limited to export only 5kw.
    Isn't the issue there that the inverter requires more voltage to start converting DC to AC? so it ends up being less effective?

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    No, most inverters (except for micro inverters) have a start up voltage of say around 100v dc from memory, i can't quite remember, have been out of the solar industry for a couple of years now.

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    We’re going to be adding another system to our house soon.
    With battery and Only powering the home.
    The other system (existing) will be straight to export.

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