Another snatch strap death

**JDNSW** · 29th March 2018, 05:09 AM

Yes, chain stores energy when tensioned, as does anything stretched. And it also stores energy from being lifted off the ground. But the amount of energy stored in the typical span of a recovery or drag chain is very small. That example that Ron shows of a North Sea chain failure probably had energy stored in a kilometre of chain when it broke. And the energy stored is directly proportional to length.

Chain can certainly fail suddenly, and if used in a recovery, as with any recovery equipment, you need to ensure that if the vehicle is being lifted, for example up a slope, that nobody is where they can get hurt if the equipment fails.

John

**laney** · 29th March 2018, 08:02 AM

In the past when I have come across a bogged car after asking if they need help I always ask do they have rated recovery points if they say no then there is no way I will tow or snatch them out. I will loan them maxtracks a shovel or even an air compressor to reinflate there tyres but no rated recovery points no tow. Now some people that I have stopped to help don't appreciate my point of view but I have gone to the expense of fitting rated recovery points to my car why would I put myself,my car and others in harms way because they got stuck. When I have towed or snatched in the past I always use my own gear as then I know where it has been and what condition it is in .

**trout1105** · 29th March 2018, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by laney

In the past when I have come across a bogged car after asking if they need help I always ask do they have rated recovery points if they say no then there is no way I will tow or snatch them out. I will loan them maxtracks a shovel or even an air compressor to reinflate there tyres but no rated recovery points no tow. Now some people that I have stopped to help don't appreciate my point of view but I have gone to the expense of fitting rated recovery points to my car why would I put myself,my car and others in harms way because they got stuck. When I have towed or snatched in the past I always use my own gear as then I know where it has been and what condition it is in .

That is a very good point because you have 50.50 chance of getting yourself injured or your truck damaged during a recovery if things go pear shaped.
It defies belief that modern 4WD's don't come equipped with "Rated" recovery points on the front of the vehicle ( a receiver hitch can be used on the rear) as standard equipment.
Everyone keeps prattling on about ANCAP ratings and yet such a simple and basic bit of safety kit on a 4WD like a good recovery point has been totally overlooked

**rammypluge** · 29th March 2018, 12:43 PM

Heard a story of a couple of ropes not being untied as a ship tried to leave the dock. Two decapitations.

**Bigbjorn** · 29th March 2018, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by trout1105

That is a very good point because you have 50.50 chance of getting yourself injured or your truck damaged during a recovery if things go pear shaped.
It defies belief that modern 4WD's don't come equipped with "Rated" recovery points on the front of the vehicle ( a receiver hitch can be used on the rear) as standard equipment.
Everyone keeps prattling on about ANCAP ratings and yet such a simple and basic bit of safety kit on a 4WD like a good recovery point has been totally overlooked

Because the overwhelming majority of them are never used off road. They are used for shopping and carting kids to expensive private schools. This is why I call them St. Margaret's cars after the posh school in Brisbane.

At Leyland we regularly had customers ask why LR didn't have galvanised chassis. Simple answer. Very few ever went on the beach and those that did were usually third-hand cheapies. At that time over 60% of sales were cab & chassis & dropside body to primary producers and government bodies.

Tombie · 29th March 2018, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by laney

In the past when I have come across a bogged car after asking if they need help I always ask do they have rated recovery points if they say no then there is no way I will tow or snatch them out. I will loan them maxtracks a shovel or even an air compressor to reinflate there tyres but no rated recovery points no tow. Now some people that I have stopped to help don't appreciate my point of view but I have gone to the expense of fitting rated recovery points to my car why would I put myself,my car and others in harms way because they got stuck. When I have towed or snatched in the past I always use my own gear as then I know where it has been and what condition it is in .

Good post..

You say you fitted rates recovery points.
Just to keep the discussion going..

What time of recovery points, and where did you mount them?

Tombie · 29th March 2018, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by trout1105

That is a very good point because you have 50.50 chance of getting yourself injured or your truck damaged during a recovery if things go pear shaped.
It defies belief that modern 4WD's don't come equipped with "Rated" recovery points on the front of the vehicle ( a receiver hitch can be used on the rear) as standard equipment.
Everyone keeps prattling on about ANCAP ratings and yet such a simple and basic bit of safety kit on a 4WD like a good recovery point has been totally overlooked

Statistically that number is very, very wrong... unless you only do things correctly 50% of the time.

It doesn’t defy belief at all that rated points aren’t on all 4wdrives... it’s another point of litigation and legal vulnerability.

And as for rated recovery points - **** mate! I’ve seen rated points mounted and I’ve cringed...Just drilling a hole through a chassis and banging a couple of bolts in through a rated hook doesn’t make a rated recovery point!

**trout1105** · 29th March 2018, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Tombie

Statistically that number is very, very wrong... unless you only do things correctly 50% of the time.

It doesn’t defy belief at all that rated points aren’t on all 4wdrives... it’s another point of litigation and legal vulnerability.

And as for rated recovery points - **** mate! I’ve seen rated points mounted and I’ve cringed...Just drilling a hole through a chassis and banging a couple of bolts in through a rated hook doesn’t make a rated recovery point!

I didn't mean that there is a 50% chance of something going wrong I meant that there is a 50.50 chance of something happening to yourself or your vehicle IF something did go wrong, It all depends on which way the snatch strap/chain/rope flies IF it breaks.

I have little faith in the available so called recovery points that is why I will refuse to snatch a vehicle and will use a winch recovery as there is far less "Stress" involved in this method

**vnx205** · 29th March 2018, 04:08 PM

I think your 50:50 is way off the mark.

I have been led to believe that recovery point failure is more common than snatch strap failure. (I'm sure someone will correct me if I am mistaken.)

You have suitable recovery points on your vehicle. They are unlikely to fail. If they did, the other bloke would be on the receiving end.

The other bloke may not have suitable recovery points, in which case they are more likely to fail than yours. In that case you will be on the receiving end.

In that case what you have to fear is not a length of nylon strap heading in your direction. It is more likely to be a lump of metal on the end of a nylon strap heading your way.

For the reasons I outlined I think that lump of metal is more likely to be heading towards you than away from you.

If something does go wrong, then I think the odds are much worse than you suggest.

**laney** · 29th March 2018, 06:56 PM

Recovery points are available for d2s from apt theses are a quality product and are rated.

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