Thread: Another snatch strap death

Originally Posted by laney

Snatching from tow points guess we will read about it in the papers and see it on the news sometime in the future.
They are called tow points for a reason.

I doubt that anyone is saying that a tow point is to be used as a snatch point.
Using a tow point for a towing or winching exercise is in my opinion Not a problem because the forces involved are Nowhere near as severe as a snatch recovery and these points should NEVER be used as a snatch point.
Sorry tombie But what I have said is NOT "Rubbish" regarding NOT needing special "Rated" recovery points on a D1or D2 to enable a winch recovery because the factory fitted tow point is just fine IF you need to use a double pull with a winch fitted.

I never saw the factory point as a tow point ...more a tie down point for a slide tray.

One of my first changes was to install 2 x 4x4 Intelligence heavy duty recovery points with high tensile bolts and a bridle. Never been towed using them but flat bed towies love them.

Cheers

I would have to agree with Tobie tow points are designed for towing a vehicle on flat level ground or on to the back of a tilt tray truck not pulling a vehicle out of a bog that's a recovery hence the need for recovery points.

Originally Posted by ozscott

I never saw the factory point as a tow point ...more a tie down point for a slide tray.

One of my first changes was to install 2 x 4x4 Intelligence heavy duty recovery points with high tensile bolts and a bridle. Never been towed using them but flat bed towies love them.

Cheers

Read page 176 and 177 of rave

Originally Posted by Young Angus

Haha I do have a winch, and they needed to install a proper TJM bracket on the chassis (pretty sure it was on the chassis) to fit it.

I do have a few recovery points in the front though already, I'll have to take a photo, there are three on each side so I'd just like to know what they are. On each side there is one shiny steel hook looking one, and two dull steel plate looking ones with holes in them...but I don't know the history of them and when they were installed, or if one is a factory recovery point...one of them probably is but maybe the other one is a proper one.

I'll have to get them looked at and I'll try to get a photo of them to put up here. I'd like to know just in case I ever end up in a situation where I want to connect a snatch strap to one...definitely a last resort after this good reading, but it's still a potential option and if it comes to that I want to know it's as safe as it can be.

If theses are factory items then I would say one is a tie down point and the other would be tow points.

Originally Posted by laney

I would have to agree with Tobie tow points are designed for towing a vehicle on flat level ground or on to the back of a tilt tray truck not pulling a vehicle out of a bog that's a recovery hence the need for recovery points.

Factory tow points would have to be designed to handle towing a vehicle at gcm up a very steep hill, at the least.

From my days doing physics and pure & applied maths : Force = Mass x Acceleration (F=MA).

The mass of the bogged vehicle is constant.

If you just drag or winch it out there is very little acceleration involved so there is not a lot of force involved, just enough to overcome the resistance of the bog.

If you use something that creates movement suddenly then there is the attempted acceleration of the mass which increases the force involved very substantially.

I doubt there is any manufacturer in the world that would even suggest where rated recovery points should be placed if they are to be used for snatch recoveries.

Aren't those recoveries something to do with getting back with your ex-wife anyway?

DL

The way I read 176 and 177 is that Landover call them recovery points as in recovering a broken down cars to put on a trailer but to each there own as I have said before if the car doesn't have rated recovery points I personally would not be towing that car under any circumstances.