Thread: Holden - how long before the end?

Originally Posted by Pickles2

I'm not "pretentious", but if I ....
Pickles.

You reckon Call it what it is mate!!!

synonyms:
affected, ostentatious, showy; More overambitious, pompous, artificial, inflated, overblown, high-sounding, flowery, grandiose, elaborate, extravagant, flamboyant, ornate, grandiloquent, magniloquent, sophomoric;

informal:
flashy, highfalutin, fancy-pants, la-di-da, pseudo


HSV as a quick example, thrived only on the Pretentious.
The concept of a “Raw High Performance Taxi” is the realm of only 2 cultures - Australian & American. Even the Poms called it an unrefined animal.

Big engines were born of old tech. back in early days of cheap fuel the easiest way to make power was bigger engines.
This methodology was then hung onto by those who love the sound.... yet many of these people ironically complain when the noise pollution of a Honda EU10 intrudes on their quiet time.

Aside from Track days there is nowhere to unleash a 6.2L Supercharged Family Saloon safely or legally on Australian roads. And I haven’t seen many sporting a good old Hayman Reese for the 6x4

In many cases these same advocates of thumping engines also quote Green behaviours (not Global Warming), Ironic!

Originally Posted by Eevo

Evo's suck. where do you think i got my username from?

Well, apart from the fact you can't spell, what makes you think I care?? Eevo's are the quickest things with 2 litres ever made for public consumption.

Originally Posted by johntins

Well, apart from the fact you can't spell, what makes you think I care?? Eevo's are the quickest things with 2 litres ever made for public consumption.

We all care John, remember and the RS Focus owners might not agree with you.

Originally Posted by Tombie

You reckon Call it what it is mate!!!

synonyms:
affected, ostentatious, showy; More overambitious, pompous, artificial, inflated, overblown, high-sounding, flowery, grandiose, elaborate, extravagant, flamboyant, ornate, grandiloquent, magniloquent, sophomoric;

informal:
flashy, highfalutin, fancy-pants, la-di-da, pseudo


HSV as a quick example, thrived only on the Pretentious.
The concept of a “Raw High Performance Taxi” is the realm of only 2 cultures - Australian & American. Even the Poms called it an unrefined animal.

Big engines were born of old tech. back in early days of cheap fuel the easiest way to make power was bigger engines.
This methodology was then hung onto by those who love the sound.... yet many of these people ironically complain when the noise pollution of a Honda EU10 intrudes on their quiet time.

Aside from Track days there is nowhere to unleash a 6.2L Supercharged Family Saloon safely or legally on Australian roads. And I haven’t seen many sporting a good old Hayman Reese for the 6x4

In many cases these same advocates of thumping engines also quote Green behaviours (not Global Warming), Ironic!

I hear what you say.
And particularly, in view of our "Nanny State" road rules.
However, We've just come back from a few days away in the GTSR, and there were plenty of occasions when we could enjoy 580HP,.... overtaking is a joy, and "old tech"?...quite possibly, and ya know what?......I love it. (So does Wifey,......when she can get behind the wheel!)
Pickles.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

but there's plenty of cars under $250K that would cream it.
In it's price range, and in its day, for sure a great car, but including cars up to $250K?,....No way.
Pickles.

Name one, Pickles. One. All I ask. The Evo finished less than 18 months ago. Other than the Nissan I already mentioned there isn't a car in that price range that could touch it. I say again, name one. One will do. As a legend in it's lifetime, there is only one car that beats it, and that is the Lancia Delta Integrale. I would put an Integrale up against any stupid Aussie V8 in any race other than a straight line, and Lancia haven't made one for 25 years. If point to point was the criteria, there are only two cars I would choose over the Lancia, and they would be the Evo, and the Nissan GTR. Unless, of course, I was a billionaire, when I would choose the Bugatti Chiron. But mere mortals can have a GTR, or a secondhand Evo. There isn't an Aussie V8 built that can touch either of them, and, like I said, name me a volume car that sells for less than 250K that can touch them. Things like Caterhams don't count.

Maybe you need to reassess just what $250K actually buys.

I love a V8 as much as the next bloke, but even the ZR1 can't touch an Evo. Unless you are a drag racer. But I thought we were talking about real world.

Originally Posted by pop058

We all care John, remember and the RS Focus owners might not agree with you.

I am a big fan of any Ford that bears the RS tag, Paul. Sadly, Ford gave up any claim to bragging rights here a long time ago. The new Focus RS is a blistering car, but a well kept, 25 year old Integrale will make it look silly, let alone an STI or an Evo.

I would love it if Lancia and Ford picked up the ball again, but those days are over.

Originally Posted by johntins

Name one

Camry.

Don't underestimate the Camry.

The Evo's,WRX's etc did no better than many other vehicles in their price range/class at race meetings such as the bathurst 12hr,and were well and truly spanked by all the sub 250K Euro's. Pat