Holden - how long before the end?

**Tins** · 17th April 2018, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by BigJon

Subaru Liberty B4.

Astonishing car, no doubt. Sadly, about 16 years ago. Subaru did better later. Mitsubishi did even better... Nissan transcended them both..

**rammypluge** · 18th April 2018, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by justinc

Still leaf springs!!! I cant believe this vehicle is even mentioned... embarrassing

I totally agree that leaves are old hat, but they are still the mainstay of the very popular dual cab market, so for holden to have them 15 years ago isnt quite such a bad criminal act.

Its way more criminal that so many are still doing it.

DiscoMick · 18th April 2018, 05:51 AM

30yo Holden Commodore fetches $340,000 at auction
Holden Commodores and other models fetch up to $340,000 at auction - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

**pop058** · 18th April 2018, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by rammypluge

I totally agree that leaves are old hat, but they are still the mainstay of the very popular dual cab market, so for holden to have them 15 years ago isnt quite such a bad criminal act.

Its way more criminal that so many are still doing it.

Leaf springs as a general rule have a much better load carrying capability that coils and given we are talking about utes (ATM) it does sort of make sense.

**justinc** · 18th April 2018, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by pop058

Leaf springs as a general rule have a much better load carrying capability that coils and given we are talking about utes (ATM) it does sort of make sense.

Agree but in a so called performance car???

**ozscott** · 18th April 2018, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by garrycol

You forgot that gem, the Holden Lexcen

No surely it was a Toyota...had the badge to prove it 🤣

**Pickles2** · 18th April 2018, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

30yo Holden Commodore fetches $340,000 at auction
Holden Commodores and other models fetch up to $340,000 at auction - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Hey Mick,..See my prior "D'Alberto Auction" thread.
Pickles.

**pop058** · 18th April 2018, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by justinc

Agree but in a so called performance car???

Agree with the performance car thing but my post was meant to refer to the twincab utes.

**BigJon** · 18th April 2018, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by johntins

Astonishing car, no doubt. Sadly, about 16 years ago. Subaru did better later. Mitsubishi did even better... Nissan transcended them both..

It is a really nice car, but I can't for the life of me imagine why it was released in the state of tune that it was. It has a big hole in power delivery between the first and second turbo operation. Fixable with a tune, but I don't want to spend the cash. Also needs 98 fuel or it pings badly.

**bsperka** · 18th April 2018, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by rammypluge

I totally agree that leaves are old hat, but they are still the mainstay of the very popular dual cab market, so for holden to have them 15 years ago isnt quite such a bad criminal act.

Its way more criminal that so many are still doing it.

It's not that they are old hat, it's more that they have different characteristics to coil springs. By mixing both on one vehicle, the suspension can't be easily tuned to behave in a consistent manner under different loads.

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