Thread: Mustang to run in Supercars!

Originally Posted by donh54

HSV build high-priced, road registerable "performance" cars, just like FPV, TRC, etc. The factory usually does a deal with these companies regarding supply of the basis unit. Most are custom built for the owner, although there are some stock units available. They (GM-H or D), haven't stopped selling the Colorado, even though HSV sell their Sport Scat through Holden dealerships.

Even if GM-D started making RHD Camaros, they still wouldn't be HSV equivalent. Just means they'd be able to do a deal with HSV for RHD units direct, and take a step out of HSV's workload. And Holden dealers could then offer you a "standard" factory RHD Camaro, or (for a large premium) an HSV one.

I'd like to hear from anyone with first-hand experience of trying to get a warranty fix out of Holden for their HSV car. I've heard anecdotal evidence that vehicles can sit in the workshop for weeks, sometimes months, waiting for Holden and HSV to sort out who will bear the warranty cost.

I disagree with practically everything in your post.
Most HSV products are built for dealers who sell them off their floor. If the required optioned car is not on the floor, then HSV will build it, which is actually the sma for any car,...if the color/option you want is not on the floor, the dealer will source it for you.
"Take a step out of HSV's workload"?....what on earth do you mean?..There is no way that HSV will be cmpeting with Detroit or vis/versa,...that would be ridiculous.
I've had several HSVs, haven't had many warranty problems, but some of the few I've had, have been discoverd during serviced & rectified.
I have no idea at all of what you are trying to say in your second para,...so perhaps you could enlarge?
Pickles.

Originally Posted by donh54

HSV build high-priced, road registerable "performance" cars, just like FPV, TRC, etc. The factory usually does a deal with these companies regarding supply of the basis unit. Most are custom built for the owner, although there are some stock units available. They (GM-H or D), haven't stopped selling the Colorado, even though HSV sell their Sport Scat through Holden dealerships.

Even if GM-D started making RHD Camaros, they still wouldn't be HSV equivalent. Just means they'd be able to do a deal with HSV for RHD units direct, and take a step out of HSV's workload. And Holden dealers could then offer you a "standard" factory RHD Camaro, or (for a large premium) an HSV one.

I'd like to hear from anyone with first-hand experience of trying to get a warranty fix out of Holden for their HSV car. I've heard anecdotal evidence that vehicles can sit in the workshop for weeks, sometimes months, waiting for Holden and HSV to sort out who will bear the warranty cost.

The development/production costs would far outway the return from the paltry number of units sold in our market. So I cannot see a "standard" Camaro anytime soon.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

I disagree with practically everything in your post.
Most HSV products are built for dealers who sell them off their floor. If the required optioned car is not on the floor, then HSV will build it, which is actually the sma for any car,...if the color/option you want is not on the floor, the dealer will source it for you.
"Take a step out of HSV's workload"?....what on earth do you mean?..There is no way that HSV will be cmpeting with Detroit or vis/versa,...that would be ridiculous.
I've had several HSVs, haven't had many warranty problems, but some of the few I've had, have been discoverd during serviced & rectified.
I have no idea at all of what you are trying to say in your second para,...so perhaps you could enlarge?
Pickles.

The "step out of HSV's workload" means that if Detroit started building RHD Camaros (anywhere), HSV would be buying them from GM, so wouldn't have to take the current step of converting to RHD.

As far as I am aware, HSV is not owned by GM-H. They work in partnership with them, as a separate entity. You can buy an HSV through the dealer network, and the dealer sources it from HSV.

From their website; HSV
The new operation began with a clear set of goals and a carefully structured business plan. The aims were simple: the brief was to maintain the tradition of Holden-based performance sedans originally established by Peter Brock’s Holden Dealer Team.

HSV does not compete with GM - it is both a customer and a supplier. GM sells cars "in the white" (unregistered to me and you) to HSV, who then do their particular engineering stuff with them (In the case of Camaro and, I believe, Silverado, that includes the RHD conversion). They are then sold via the dealer network - HSV makes money, and so does the dealer, and Holden themselves get a "sports" version of some of their range, without incurring the developmental overhead of setting up and running a performance engineering department themselves. Win - win!

I am glad you have had no problems with warranty work on your HSVs. As I said, I had heard anecdotes of people having problems, and wanted input from an actual owner. Thanks for that.

Originally Posted by pop058

The development/production costs would far outway the return from the paltry number of units sold in our market. So I cannot see a "standard" Camaro anytime soon.

Not just us - there are 74 other countries which drive on the left, including the UK, Japan, a fair bit of Southern Asia, India, and a good chunk of Africa. Quite a few potential buyers

Originally Posted by donh54

The "step out of HSV's workload" means that if Detroit started building RHD Camaros (anywhere), HSV would be buying them from GM, so wouldn't have to take the current step of converting to RHD.

As far as I am aware, HSV is not owned by GM-H. They work in partnership with them, as a separate entity. You can buy an HSV through the dealer network, and the dealer sources it from HSV.

From their website; HSV
The new operation began with a clear set of goals and a carefully structured business plan. The aims were simple: the brief was to maintain the tradition of Holden-based performance sedans originally established by Peter Brock’s Holden Dealer Team.

HSV does not compete with GM - it is both a customer and a supplier. GM sells cars "in the white" (unregistered to me and you) to HSV, who then do their particular engineering stuff with them (In the case of Camaro and, I believe, Silverado, that includes the RHD conversion). They are then sold via the dealer network - HSV makes money, and so does the dealer, and Holden themselves get a "sports" version of some of their range, without incurring the developmental overhead of setting up and running a performance engineering department themselves. Win - win!

I am glad you have had no problems with warranty work on your HSVs. As I said, I had heard anecdotes of people having problems, and wanted input from an actual owner. Thanks for that.

No worries. But where HSV makes its money with the Camaro, is with the LHD to RHD conversion. IF GM Detroit make the Camaro in RHD it will go straight onto a Holden Dealer showroom floor (it won't need to go to HSV!), just like the Mustang does for Ford,.....who are super happy with it. The "next generation" Mustang will arrive mid year with more grunt & a 10 speed auto, and to cap it all off there will be a Bullitt edition which will be even more popular! Why GM have not done a Camaro in RHD (not just for Aussie of course) is beyond me.
Pickles.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

Yes, HSV are marketing them, well actually they are converting Camaros from LHD to RHD for sale in Holden Dealerships, but they are not as yet made RHD anywhere. The point I made was that as HSV have been dealing with GM Detroit on this issue, there would be no way Detroit would be going to manufacture Camaros in RHD if they have allowed HSV to start a RHD connversion program.
Pickles.

HSV's Camaro starts full production in July.

Employing 50 ex Ford workers, just about a total strip and rebuild with many new parts and 60hrs per car.

Originally Posted by Slunnie

HSV's Camaro starts full production in July.

Employing 50 ex Ford workers, just about a total strip and rebuild with many new parts and 60hrs per car.

Spot on. I'm a member of the HSV Owners Club, and we will be at Walkinshaw Park tomorrow night to view the Camaro, Silverado & Sportscat.
Not much happening in the "Äussie" car industry at the moment, but HSV are having a real good go.
Looking forward to it, Pickles.

Originally Posted by Slunnie

HSV's Camaro starts full production in July.

Employing 50 ex Ford workers, just about a total strip and rebuild with many new parts and 60hrs per car.

Mate, "Full strip"?...I had no idea, but how right you were!!....an amazing amount of complicated conversion stuff has to be done, it sure ain't just a matter of putting the steering wheel on the other side.
Same with the Silverado....almost a full rebuild on these cars, to make sure everything is done properly.
HSV's new premises are HUGE and very impressive.
As I said earlier, there's not much happening in the Aussie motor industry at the moment, but visiting these very impressive new facilities & listening to HSV's M.D. Tim Jackson, was very encouraging.
I would think that the Motoring Press will be there when serious production gets under way, so that all can see what's going on, although anyone that's interested can google "Walkinshaw Park" and may come across a video with a bit of stuff on it, or maybe the HSV website,...haven't looked there yet.
Pickles.