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    Quote Originally Posted by vnx205 View Post
    Can we assume that you also subscribe to the theory that helicopters can't actually fly?

    The theory is that they are so ugly that the earth repels them.
    The same way that light bulbs actually don't emit light but suck in dark, which is why when they eventually get black, they stop working and have to be replaced, as they are full of dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vnx205 View Post
    Can we assume that you also subscribe to the theory that helicopters can't actually fly?

    The theory is that they are so ugly that the earth repels them.
    no, you can't make any assumptions about me....

    helicopters do fly , using exactly the same theory of flight that fixed wing aeroplanes use......helicopters are rotary wing aeroplanes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    The conveyor would have to go backwards to do that....
    If the wheels are turning forwards then the conveyor must already be running backwards at the same speed but in the opposite direction, according to the question.
    The conveyor belt doesn't need to be that long either, just a couple of metres.
    The tracks on the conveyor are running backwards, but the unit itself is stationary.
    Since the conveyor unit is stationary, while the tracks are turning opposite to the wheels, then the plane attached to the wheels is also stationary. So no uplift and no takeoff, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramblingboy42 View Post
    no, you can't make any assumptions about me....

    helicopters do fly , using exactly the same theory of flight that fixed wing aeroplanes use......helicopters are rotary wing aeroplanes.
    Helicopters fly through brute force and ignorance .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatso View Post
    Helicopters fly through brute force and ignorance .
    I can assure you that brute force will rapidly lead to both the pilots and the helicopters early demise!
    As for ignorance, if this thread is anything to go by, ignorance is not confined to helicopters!

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    An ex-SAS soldier once told me that there were only two types of helicopters, "those that have crashed, and those that are going to crash".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramblingboy42 View Post
    no, you can't make any assumptions about me....

    helicopters do fly , using exactly the same theory of flight that fixed wing aeroplanes use......helicopters are rotary wing aeroplanes.

    so if a helo was on a giant turntable, bla bla, would it take off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Farang View Post
    I can assure you that brute force will rapidly lead to both the pilots and the helicopters early demise!
    As for ignorance, if this thread is anything to go by, ignorance is not confined to helicopters!
    The statement , "helicoptors fly throuhgh force and ingnorance" is old Aviation saying used by Pilots from way back to describe the principles of flight for a helicopter . I did not just make it up . . Cheers .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatso View Post
    The statement , "helicoptors fly throuhgh force and ingnorance" is old Aviation saying used by Pilots from way back to describe the principles of flight for a helicopter . I did not just make it up . . Cheers .
    You missed out the bit: "quoted by fixed wing pilots!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    ...Since the conveyor unit is stationary, while the tracks are turning opposite to the wheels, then the plane attached to the wheels is also stationary. So no uplift and no takeoff, I think.
    Assuming wheel bearing friction is negligible then there are only 5 forces are acting on the plane.

    1 Thrust from the engine - huge in any realistic aircraft engine.
    2 gravity - constant but always directed down
    3 lift - variable but always directed up
    4 drag - variable, but always directed in the opposite direction to movement and therefore to thrust.
    5 wheel rolling friction - very small compared to thrust from an engine but always directed in the opposite direction to wheel rotation

    If the force of thrust is greater than the sum of the opposing forces of drag and wheel rolling friction then there is nothing on gods earth which will stop that plane moving forward, whether it is on a conveyor or not.

    Since it moves forward the wings will generate a lift force. When the force of lift exceeds the force of gravity the plane will fly.

    None of the above forces have anything to do with the conveyor. The conveyor can spin those wheels in any direction it likes, at pretty much any speed it likes within the bounds of reason. Provided thrust exceeds the sum of drag and friction losses associated with the wheel's movement then the plane moves and flies.
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