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Originally posted by gruntfuttock
When I saw the title of this thread I thought it was a joke :oops:
I thought everyone new that journalists are not born........they're just the after-birth https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
I tend to just read the date on the top of the cover; and then check it https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
I don't see a problem with Ron Moon doing a review on another camper .. dare I say every product review in these magazines are done by a bloke who will have a preconceived opinion or preference, either for a different product or the one being reviewed.
4WD Monthly always gets Nick Manell to help in their 4WDOTY and he is the biggest bloody Nissan fan in the world. Like IO said .. if you are being paid for your opinions there is a certain integrity that goes with it but in only Ron Moon will know if the review he did reflects a true overview of the product or biased for the TVAN. Thing is .. you and I won't know so it's up to us to see for ourselves.
generalisations are dangerous and do nothing to show off your own IQ IMHO.
like any other form of life on earth, there are good and bad ones...
lumping them all in one bundle only detracts from the merits of the good ones.
why is it that this is (in general) a growing trend?
If my comments have offended anyone, please accept my apologies. :oops: :oops:
They stem form a very bad incident that left me with a very very cynical view of journalists in general.
Even the apology that was printed by the paper was spiked and they got the facts wrong from the first story they printed.
Yes there are some good ones out there, only I seem to fall on the duds.
But then again, if I check 500 movements, the first one I pick will be faulty. So basicly I think that if it was raining virgins I would be locked in the toilet with a ......
Once again, if my comments have offended anyone, please accept my apologies.
I have never had any positive contact with jounalists and until I do I most likely will remain cynical.
There are some exceptional pieces of journalism, as there are excellent examples of other trades/professions which should also be highlighted.
It is grossly unfair to tarnish all journalists over the quality of work of some of their peers.
My issue is that 4x4 Australia professess to be an indpenedent mag, providing unbiased journalism and reviews. They have a responsibility to their readers (many of whom go and spend considerable sums of their 'hard-earned' based upon their reviews) to be unbiased and uphold the basic standards of journalism. You cannot be a reviewer and also an endorser.
As with any profession, good journalists should not hold back in ridding their profession of those who do not hold the same ethics and standards.
Just my 2cents.... https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
I will agree that some articles are quite dificult to believe. But I do however believe that someone like Ron Moon would give very careful consideration to any article he wrote about a camper van. Being that he does endorse a competitors product, you would have to think that he writes his articles very carefully.
That and Ron Moon would have to be one of the most recognised writers of modern times in four wheel driving magazine/circles. I would be most suprised if he would write an article deliberately biased due to his sponsor!
Cheers
Chris
HI everybody,
I guess it comes down to professionalism.
If the journo is doing his job properly, what he owns/endorses should not affect what he thinks of something else. I have read Ron's comments on other camper trailers in the past, like the Tambo and he couldn't talk highly enough of the price/features etc.
cheers,
Juz https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
As some of the others have said the testers have their mind made up in advance. 4wdoty os probably the worst. As Henry said about Nick Mannell, how many times did Nissan win it until the D3 gave them no choice but to award it 4wdoty because it was simply a better car.
I get all 3 mags, mainly for the trips etc, but some of the product reviews are interesting but in the end i would never use their reviews as my sole reasoning for buying a product. matt
That's why I buy the English Landrover Mags https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ L R Monthly and L R Enthusiast, ALL LANDROVER https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
In some industries where the "pool" is small conflicts of interest are bound to occur and cannot be avoided and I don't think it automatically means you ignore the articles.
As Noddy said the appropriate thing to do would have have been for Mr Moon to declare his interest in the text - but he should be granted the trust to do his job properly.
I have read wine reviews where a selection of winemakers did a blind tasting of the various wines made by that group. They all rated the wines and spoke about them - clearly they would have known their own wines (and their friends wines probably) but they were able to take off their brand hat and put on the hat of people with a genuine regard for their own industry.
As long as everything is declared and upfront it's fine.