Professional truck drivers?

**solmanic** · 6th June 2018, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Gordie

Unfortunately these days, whatever profession you may be in...there is a wannabe copper with a camera on every corner, ready to record any transgression. Look at the poor ol coppers for example...risking their wellbeing, trying to lock up some drug ****ed idiot, screaming drug ****ed girlfriend of said idiot standing by filming the fight, the moment the copper is seen to be not acting in a professional manner whilst in the heat of battle...and it is headline news.

And if I had $1 for every transgression I have seen by a car driver v $100 for every transgression by a truck driver, I would have gotten a lot wealthier off that $1 bounty on cars!

I have said it before on here and will say it again....teleport me back to the 70s/80s where we weren't all quite so uptight.

I have no issue whatsoever with people photographing/videoing law breakers then reporting them. I ride with a bike camera for this exact reason (not just random reporting - only the stuff idiots do to try and kill me). Most people will think "oh, no one's looking" and try all sorts of stupid stupid stuff. If we arrive at a point when everyone just has to assume there is someone recording whatever illegal thing they are about to do then we might just lower the road toll. Sure, the rig may have had a clearer view up the road, but what if some farm cocky around the corner just took that moment to pull out onto the highway in the opposite direction? He wouldn't necessarily be looking to his left for oncoming traffic in the wrong lane.

When I'm out if I have a driver do something dangerous near me, I wait and see what the video shows to confirm it wasn't just me being sensitive then make a judgement call about just how bad the incident was before reporting it. If however, the driver is a professional (truck or taxi etc) then I ALWAYS report it as those people should damn well know better and be held to a higher standard of roadcraft.

**rammypluge** · 6th June 2018, 11:24 AM

DG courses dont focus on how to drive, they are focused on the specific rules around DG carriage and signage etc.

They teach you with books then tell you that after the course you should do it online. But they dont teach you how to access the right information online. Its a massive issue that needs to be addressed.

**rammypluge** · 6th June 2018, 11:35 AM

If there is a lineup to overtake a vehicle, the first in line needs to overtake at the first opportunity, otherwise they become a nuisance and overtaking target.

The bdouble driver may have been screwed over by one or both of the other vehicles in the photos, and he might have been just about to brake when the road train let him in as such. Innocent till proven guilty.

I notice that from photo 1 to 2 the camera car gets closer to the road train, and the road train in that moment at least does not have his brakes on. So the camera car may have accelerated, closing out the bdouble. The fact that there are broken lines on the other side of the road says overtaking is possible behind the photos, so the bdouble may have begun the overtaking manouver in a legal space. It seems possible that at some point the camera car did not take an opportunity to overtake, and the bdouble driver thus overtook him. But the camera car closed him out? If so the camera car behaviour would be very wrong.

**Mick_Marsh** · 6th June 2018, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by rammypluge

The fact that there are broken lines on the other side of the road says overtaking is possible behind the photos, so the bdouble may have begun the overtaking manouver in a legal space.

So, it's ok to overtake on double white lines if you began the overtaking manoeuvre in a legal space. Which road rule is that? I must have skipped over it.

**pop058** · 6th June 2018, 12:22 PM

I am sure Geoffrey Robertson will be along shortly.

**Gordie** · 6th June 2018, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by solmanic

I ALWAYS report it as those people should damn well know better and be held to a higher standard of roadcraft.

And that I have no problem with. I used to deal with people who rang a hotline to report driving behaviour....99% of them wouldn't back up their accusations with a statement/or preparedness to be a witness in court. Anyone who wishes to put this sort of thing through proper channels, go for it. For the majority in this day and age, it is a lot easier to post it on social media and let the arm chair jury decide though.

**weeds** · 6th June 2018, 01:02 PM

I’ve been following this families journey for a while...

I see he has posted that the b double started overtaking over the single solid white line not broken line

Never met the family, he seems a reasonable bloke trying his best to get back home in one piece. He baked off on the gas as soon as he noticed the situation.

I’m guessing he is like me and doesn’t have the UHF on while kids are in the car given the amount of foul language and only turns it on when required.

Ean Austral · 6th June 2018, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by rammypluge

DG courses dont focus on how to drive, they are focused on the specific rules around DG carriage and signage etc.

They teach you with books then tell you that after the course you should do it online. But they dont teach you how to access the right information online. Its a massive issue that needs to be addressed.

Not sure why a DG should teach you haw to drive - its not the idea , even when I did the explosive's part of the DG course it never focused on driving as you can cart DG in a ute or a roadtrain , or something in between. Its assumed you already have a license issued by the relevant authority.

I found the Explosives was a continuation of the license , but it concentrated more on the ignition points of the different classes of explosive materials and what are the requirements to cart it.

I did mine in Darwin and certainly would say it was as you describe , it was all done from books and we had a time limit , if you failed or ran out of time you came back the Friday to have another go. Was a 4 day course , with the Friday as a extra for those that needed it, if you didn't complete it in the time or failed the Friday , you had to do it again.

There was 1 class I couldn't do and it was only possible if you had a letter from an employer stating you were carting that particular substance and it was only issued for the time you were carting it. I cant remember the name but it was abrieviated to something like SSND or something like that.

As for the O/P - there's enough expert drivers on here that have obviously never broken a road rule for any reason in their life of driving vehicle's , so no need for me to add comment.

Cheers Ean

**weeds** · 6th June 2018, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ean Austral

As for the O/P - there's enough expert drivers on here that have obviously never broken a road rule for any reason in their life of driving vehicle's , so no need for me to add comment.

Cheers Ean

LOL.....Getting in the ribs of the truckies and as expected plenty justifying the truck drivers action.

Oh I first to admit I’m no angel......Ranga followed me for a week after Cooma 70th and probably picked up on some of my habits.

**trout1105** · 6th June 2018, 02:05 PM

This truckie got caught on camera stuffing up/Breaking the law, It's as simple as that No "Armchair Warrior" assessment needed at all as it is all there in full vibrant colour.
I seriously doubt that ANY of us here haven't broken the road rules at some stage and got away with it But old Mate in the truck here has been sprung fair and square and No excuses or perceived justification for this can change the fact that he broke the law by overtaking on a solid white line.

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