Thanks Saitch,
I googled Torbanite , I think that will be it , much appreciated. (Torbernite is the correct spelling)
just turned the rock around to get a better shot of the red , not a crystal as I first thought.
many thanks to your BIL
The mineral description in our book says it also crumbles in the open air , that fits the sample we have.
cheers Don
http://goingbush.com/images/torbanite.jpg

