MUNGO MAN...SHOULD WE GIVING THIS MORE PRIORITY?

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Originally Posted by Eevo

there were tribes, not nations.

either way, a few one was born, prospered and became dominant.

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Tribes and bands are all interchangeable with nation in modern day language. They were once different and tribes/bands were used to describe non-western nations, often in a derogatory way.

And again whether or not it is better would be based on your point of view as I have stated previously.

And one rose to prominence based on force and killing - so yes it was a superior force, not necessarily a superior way of living. And they did it with no regard to the culture that was already there.

In current times, we see the opposite, whereby the white colonists insist that anyone coming to settle must live in the white way and existing culture, and can't bring their culture and force and see which prevails as the strongest.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

i dont think this should be about cook.
having said that
cooks voyage opened the way for the colonisation of Australia and the birth of a nation

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Yawn

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Originally Posted by JoeFriend

There were already quite a few nations here before he arrived.

It was already colonised, there were people here living.

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More more than 250 nations infact. The continent currently called Australia has always been a multinational continent more diverse than Europe and the equal of Africa. To think of Australia as one single nation is actually quite ridiculous. It’s a continent.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

there were tribes, not nations.

either way, a few one was born, prospered and became dominant.

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What the?

Nope. Nations. Always ‘were’. Always will be. It’s not historical.

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Originally Posted by Zeros

What the?

Nope. Nations. Always ‘were’. Always will be. It’s not historical.

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I think it was language groups and within those groups, skin groups. I don't think our indigenous people had back then the concept of Nation. It's complicated, and I'm too tired to go into it.

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Originally Posted by bob10

I think it was language groups and within those groups, skin groups. I don't think our indigenous people had back then the concept of Nation. It's complicated, and I'm too tired to go into it.

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Well to keep it really simple, it’s where the term First Nations comes from.

Yes, the concept of a nation, like all other English language words / concepts, is inadequate to articulate the world view of nations with 250+ distinct languages.

We all have a lot to learn.

Have a good sleep Bob and we can continue discussing in the morning [thumbsupbig]

We have so many people living in an urban bubble, dependant on multinationals, they have no connection with the land. Its very unaustralian!

Id like to learn more about Mungo man. Sounds like an interesting place to visit.

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Originally Posted by manic

We have so many people living in an urban bubble, dependant on multinationals, they have no connection with the land. Its very unaustralian!

Id like to learn more about Mungo man. Sounds like an interesting place to visit.

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Cool Manic. Mungo is a powerful place. Give it time and it will seep into your bones.

There are some magnificent secluded bush camps over the back of the main salt lake too. Many don’t find them, but take it from me it’s the place to stay.

Search 'AIATSIS Map of Indigenous Australia' and see a map of indigenous language groups, tribes and nations.
The link won't copy on my phone - sorry.

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Originally Posted by bob10

I think it was language groups and within those groups, skin groups. I don't think our indigenous people had back then the concept of Nation. It's complicated, and I'm too tired to go into it.

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It is usually the way when different cultures and different languages meet.

Of course they had no concept of what the western world thought of as a 'nation' - they lived differently, but in no way was it of less importance (I am not saying that is what you were inferring though).

Multiple tribes/clans would come together with a shared group of tribal elders to make collective decisions, mutual defence and protection of their land and to trade. Pretty much what a nation state is really. Granted not on the same scale but their way of life wasn't to suck up resources and own the most stuff, be the most powerful etc.