Bloody hard for youngs to get jobs without being stuffed around.

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Originally Posted by speleomike

Hi



Well there are a lot of jobs going in the Government so why don't they ALL apply for those :-) "Jobs at the Department of Jobs and Small Business"
Terms and Conditions for Public Submissions in the Department of Jobs and Small Business | Department of Jobs and Small Business
has a link to the "Jobs List - jobs portal" which lists jobs from Senior Government Lawyer to Media Officers and Chief Executive Officer, Comcare.

Send off your resume and an application. Get your unemployed friends on New Start to do what the Government wants - send them your resume for all of those jobs advertised. Spread the word on Facebook and down at the pub. With just 1000 new Starters applying for that Chief Executive Officer of Comcare the Dept of Jobs and Businesses will have quite a few resumes to open, read and file into their systems :-) They are bound to find a suitable applicant surely? (I call that the Ghandi method of cooperation with the Government.)

And if they don't reply to your application send them a copy and a reminder after a week, CC'ed to an ABC journo :-)

Mike

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Why did I never think of that , not that I have been able to collect on the largesse offered to the unemployed? Though there is likely some rule , resulting in a possible forfeiture of benefits.
Wasn’t there a thread a while back , where the ongoing theme was for those unable to head to the rural areas ?
Perhaps it is time to bring back the not for profit agencies that actually found suitable matches for the available work , and not a “names generator “ to show how many they can attract to their ads. As Mr B. Knight previously posted the description and reality are often miles apart.

Entry level jobs for school leavers are what's needed.
I read there are currently about 140,000 fewer apprenticeships than there were six years ago. That's causing youth unemployment.

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Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

While we are banging on about interviews etc. This may be of interest.

These are the questions you can’t be asked in a job interview

An old mate and I were discussing our experiences applying for jobs many years ago. I am 77 and he is 81. He graduated from UQ in 1960. He reckoned interviews then paid scant attention to his uni results. What seemed important was your father's and mother's families, what school, first 11 or first 15, father's lodge. The school revealed your religion so this was not asked.

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I should also point out that if you were the wrong religion you would not have got an interview.

Discrimination of many kinds was thriving in the 50's and 60's. Some of our state depts. only employed catholics from a certain school. The dept. across the road only employed catholics from the other mick GPS school. Other depts. only employed protestants and so on. The old saw of "no catholics, jews, or niggers" applied with many employers. I found that a major finance, insurance, and trustee company had an intake of school leavers every year with the intention of training them up in the company's activities to become future managers by age 28-30 much like the banks. I also found that they did not employ catholics or state high school boys. GPS protestants only, thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Entry level jobs for school leavers are what's needed.
I read there are currently about 140,000 fewer apprenticeships than there were six years ago. That's causing youth unemployment.

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Yes but have you had one of these so called "apprentices"? Sorry but no (most) kids dont wanna work these days, if you havnt had a job before 18 good luck in the workforce. Employer's would rather see 2 years at McDonalds than a 4 year uni degree or a vce education I know I would (as a trade). School and uni dosnt get you anywhere near as far as it should unfortunately.
Cheers Jim

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Originally Posted by LRJim

Yes but have you had one of these so called "apprentices"? Sorry but no (most) kids dont wanna work these days, if you havnt had a job before 18 good luck in the workforce. Employer's would rather see 2 years at McDonalds than a 4 year uni degree or a vce education I know I would (as a trade). School and uni doesn't get you anywhere near as far as it should unfortunately.
Cheers Jim

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In my DSS days I often had to address a joint seminar with the local CES offices and local employers. CES hosted these to assess employers complaints and needs and the possible vacancies in the near future. A common complaint was the shortage of skilled tradesmen. I usually asked the complainant how many apprentices their company had started in the last decade, how many completed trade papers, and where are they now. The most common reply was none. "Company policy is against apprenticeships due to bad past experiences." I usually told them they needed to grow their own if they wanted tradesmen. Better selection and supervision would have fixed most of "the bad past experiences."

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Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

In my DSS days I often had to address a joint seminar with the local CES offices and local employers. CES hosted these to assess employers complaints and needs and the possible vacancies in the near future. A common complaint was the shortage of skilled tradesmen. I usually asked the complainant how many apprentices their company had started in the last decade, how many completed trade papers, and where are they now. The most common reply was none. "Company policy is against apprenticeships due to bad past experiences." I usually told them they needed to grow their own if they wanted tradesmen. Better selection and supervision would have fixed most of "the bad past experiences."

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Now and then though.
Back then you could have made a better selection now it's discrimination.
Back then you could have grown your own tradesmen people had passion not just a job.
Back then kids could take character building these days it's considered abuse.
My cousin only a few years younger than me was an ice addict, started an apprenticeship with me. First 6 months I gave him hell made him cry and wanna go home all the usual apprentice stuff. 3 years on he gets it now it was building character not abuse[emoji106]

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Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

In my DSS days I often had to address a joint seminar with the local CES offices and local employers. CES hosted these to assess employers complaints and needs and the possible vacancies in the near future. A common complaint was the shortage of skilled tradesmen. I usually asked the complainant how many apprentices their company had started in the last decade, how many completed trade papers, and where are they now. The most common reply was none. "Company policy is against apprenticeships due to bad past experiences." I usually told them they needed to grow their own if they wanted tradesmen. Better selection and supervision would have fixed most of "the bad past experiences."

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I don't agree that most kids don't want to work. While there are exceptions, I think most do want to work. I doubt if that has changed much over the years.
I don't think it's right to blame young people for youth unemployment. Society has changed. As others have said, many organisations and businesses are failing to invest in young people. They see training as a cost not an investment in the future, and would rather cut training and increase profits.
Trade training particularly TAFE has also been starved of funds. I can't discuss the politics behind that here.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I don't agree that most kids don't want to work. While there are exceptions, I think most do want to work. I doubt if that has changed much over the years.
I don't think it's right to blame young people for youth unemployment. Society has changed. As others have said, many organisations and businesses are failing to invest in young people. They see training as a cost not an investment in the future, and would rather cut training and increase profits.
Trade training particularly TAFE has also been starved of funds. I can't discuss the politics behind that here.

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It's become a double edged sword really... completely agree with companies not investing in training new young people but a lot of young people prove they are not up to the task.... tafe perfect example 1st year apprentice class has 20-30 students come 3rd year it's down to 10-15 most (not all) of them don't wanna do the job anymore so why would a company bother investing money and time in training when they already know what the outcome is already gonna be? Generally the 10-15 students left are the passionate ones or they have stayed hidden away on site so the boss dosnt know their lazy little ****s!

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Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

I should also point out that if you were the wrong religion you would not have got an interview.

Discrimination of many kinds was thriving in the 50's and 60's. Some of our state depts. only employed catholics from a certain school. The dept. across the road only employed catholics from the other mick GPS school. Other depts. only employed protestants and so on. The old saw of "no catholics, jews, or niggers" applied with many employers. I found that a major finance, insurance, and trustee company had an intake of school leavers every year with the intention of training them up in the company's activities to become future managers by age 28-30 much like the banks. I also found that they did not employ catholics or state high school boys. GPS protestants only, thank you very much.

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Aint that the truth!

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Originally Posted by Toxic_Avenger

Last medical I recall seeing the bill for was way north of $600. Not something a company will throw out there on 100+ applicants because they just can. Trust me on this.
The premise of this thread is that he's being 'stuffed around' is incorrect. Maybe a bit of mollycoddling in his defense, but definitely just normal corporate ass-covering to find the right hire.
On that, the cost of hiring is huge- a $40K job would cost the company an easy $15K to get filled and get someone trained and up to speed. All for naught if the son is somehow compromised and his spine snaps in 2 at the first 5kg parcel lift, causing massive workers comp etc...

Fortunately if he is getting this far, he is most of the way there IMO. He's also cleared a few culls of resume 'gatekeepers' and been deemed worthy of the investment of a medical. Conversely, he's over the barrel as they won't hire without. He could seek an employment contract with a clause pending satisfactory medical report, but respectfully, for the types of 'unskilled' jobs you've outlined, the bargaining power is not with the employee, as the labour pool is huge.

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I had to do a medical, last year, for work. The cost was only a couple of pots shy of a grand.
The practice specialised in industrial medicine and I was there for less than an hour. They were most upset that I refused them permission to access my medical records and stated that I didn't have a regular GP. I was expected to supply them with every ailment that may preclude me from the position that I already held.
A perfect reason to opt out of the national My Health Record.