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Of course there will be plenty of ICE vehicles still on the roads, but hardly any new ones will be sold and the aftermarket value will plummet.Except maybe for some enthusiast or special purpose vehicles. That's what happens in Norway right now. The 'late adopters' simply will by then not be able to sell their vehicle for decent money.
Fair point - if you are buying expensive ICE cars and banking on resale value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojo
I wonder what a 2017 Tesla model X that cost ~ $200,000 new will be worth in 2024.
Difficult to estimate, but as long demand for those vehicles exceeds availability you will probably get a fair deal. I recently got a trade-in estimate from Tesla for my car (4yrs, about 160K kms) of over 50% of the original purchase price, which I consider is in the lower end as selling it privately will return an even better value.Quote:
Originally Posted by manic
Your comparing a country like Norway to Aus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojo
I wonder if their top selling vehicles are diesel dual cab utes?
As i have said before,EV will suit some,but many will stay with ICE,that is if they are available,and they will be.
EV won't suit everyone,one of the main issues is providing the infrastructure to charge them all.
There is basically no infrastructure to charge millions of vehicles ATM,and its not going to suddenly appear overnight.
And who is going to be making these niche ICE vehicles , there is no market for them, no resale value , so no one will buy them & no one will make them , its a vicious circle.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarry
obviouslyQuote:
EV won't suit everyone,
The infrastructure is already here, FFS , you plug your car in at night to a powerpoint. Every house has one .Quote:
one of the main issues is providing the infrastructure to charge them all.
There is basically no infrastructure to charge millions of vehicles ATM,and its not going to suddenly appear overnight.
How come none of you "fan boys" have bought a Nissan Leaf.
They have been available for at least 6 years.
Come on, put your money where your mouth is, pay 28K for a useless car or you can buy a new 2019 model with a 250Km range for about 50K-60 K.
Regards Philip A
or is it that the idea of EVs is great "in principle" but not so attractive "in practice"
BTW Norway has extensive subsidies for purchase of EVs.
What’s put the spark in Norway’s electric car revolution? | Money | The Guardian
Financially, right now a $32 k Toyota Corolla hybrid makes more sense than a $50k Nissan Leaf, which is why I think hybrid sales will be the first wave of EVs.
But that will change as battery pack costs fall and people realise a hybrid is a compromise and it's better to just go full EV.
Range anxiety will decline as manufacturers install larger, more efficient battery packs and double the current typical 300 km affordable EV range, which has already happened with the Teslas and Jaguar I Pace.
When an affordable EV has a range matching an ICE vehicle, such as the 600km range of our Mazda 2, and more highway servos install charging points, then pure EVs will surge in sales, I think.
Probably due to their not having the rugged manly appeal of a shed class Land Rover, and, oh, perhaps no low range 4WD transfer case either. Goingbush has showed the way for LR's new sales direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipA
Oh and what's a "fan boy"? Sounds kinky. Do they come as accessories for middle eastern delivered Range Rovers? Asking for a friend.
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Originally Posted by goingbush
FFS,if you think the infrastructure is already in place,your really showing your ignorance.These vehicles aren't just a portable appliance,like toaster or a vacuum cleaner,that can be plugged into a power point,and use a small amount of power for a few minutes.
They use a huge amount of power,and there will be millions of them,supposedly.
EDIT have a look at this,on an Australian site,
"Simply insert the J1772 nozzle in one end the and the other in your Tesla and you will be able to charge at up to 7.6kw or 30-40 kms of range per hour. Beauty!"
That equates to around 31 amps/hour,which is a huge amount of power.
And the infrastructure is in place for this sort of power usage?
Just imagine a block of say 300 or so units,where half the units have one car each that needs charging overnight?
The average household in Aus has two vehicles,many have three.
So even the average domestic house mains may struggle.
Is there such a thing as an affordable EV at present?Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoMick
I am trying to talk my son into replacing his I30 with one, but it is a bit hard to push when they are so much more expensive than a comparable ICE car. Primarily used for commuting he does a typical 150-180km a day, but wants to be able to, for example, deliver his kids to me, meeting at Molong, which for him means a round trip of about 400km done with only a five minute stop. And I don't think there are any fast chargers on the Lachlan Valley way. Or on the Mitchell highway for that matter. (He really does not need to do this trip in his commuting car though, as he has access to his daughters D2.)
I haven't even mentioned the possibility of his replacing his wife's car with an EV, which is only used for driving round town, obviously an ideal task for an EV. But the existing car is a second hand Getz - and I haven't seen any EVs close to the $2,000 he paid for it.