Thread: Goodnight Diesel. ...Land Rover get your EV skates on!

Originally Posted by PhilipA

Er , what if there is already somebody there?
in your brave new world everyone will have an EV.

Exactly, how many cars go through a freeway servo each hour and how much time do they spend at the pump? Maybe 1 or 2 mins? Ok 5 for diesel and LPG I'll give you.
How many cars per hour will a servo be able to fuel up if they were all EV? How many charging stations will they be able to handle blah blah blah you catch my drift
Not being a Debbie downer on EV but these are the things we need to resolve first, you could be waiting hours to get a charging station possibly days if everyone had an EV

I think it's interesting that Maersk (worlds biggest container shipping co) aims to be carbon neutral by 2030 and cut emissions to zero by 2050. Given the logistics in shipping (weeks at sea etc);

‘Maersk is not pushing one technology — ideas such as biofuels, hydrogen, electricity or even wind or solar power have been mooted — but is stressing the urgency as most vessels have a life of 20-25 years, meaning that viable solutions need to be found soon. “To reach the target by 2050, in the next 10 years we need some big breakthroughs,” Mr Toft said. One challenge will be that container ships often need to travel several thousand kilometres at a stretch, appearing to rule out solutions open to other types of transport such as electric cars and lorries.’

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Maersk: Carbon emissions from shipping must be cut to zero by 2050 - CNN

When industries such as massive scale shippers commit to other energy sources the innovation and impact on other, less intense but endurance energy requiring users will surely benefit. As noted in the article above, some ships are nearing the end of their economic life so solutions which are to be integrated into new ships need to be just around the corner.

Originally Posted by PhilipA

Er , what if there is already somebody there?
in your brave new world everyone will have an EV.

re Supercharging How big a gennie will roadhouses have to install to have Supercharging and how will it be funded?
One takes 120Kw at 240 V (US 3 phase) so about 120KVA or 60?at 480V 3 phase, but how many will do that?
I think that is a serious size of generator and remember has to be on top of lighting,aircon etc.
Regards Philip A

And in your mythical smoke filled world no roadhouse operator will have heard of solar panels, batteries or the internet. (Hint: your future traveler can check their destination online for capacity at the time they expect to get there. Satellite internet goes everywhere.)

Originally Posted by PhilipA

Er , what if there is already somebody there?
in your brave new world everyone will have an EV.

re Supercharging How big a gennie will roadhouses have to install to have Supercharging and how will it be funded?
One takes 120Kw at 240 V (US 3 phase) so about 120KVA or 60?at 480V 3 phase, but how many will do that?
I think that is a serious size of generator and remember has to be on top of lighting,aircon etc.
Regards Philip A

Very good point Philip. ...It will make the race to the camp site / booking system / grey nomad walking stick fights over power outlets FRENZY even more exciting than it is now!

National Park bookings will be even more of a nightmare. And there will be super hot competition for the fake fire points too! Not to mention the Augmented Reality Koala viewings.

Originally Posted by PhilipA

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re Supercharging How big a gennie will roadhouses have to install to have Supercharging and how will it be funded?
One takes 120Kw at 240 V (US 3 phase) so about 120KVA or 60?at 480V 3 phase, but how many will do that?
I think that is a serious size of generator and remember has to be on top of lighting,aircon etc.
Regards Philip A

Supercharging is provided by Tesla for Tesla's vehicles. A private vendor would not set up a Supercharger but rather a Destination Charger, with less effect, so it takes somewhat longer to charge. Which is quite alright as you don't want to gulp down your meal and run off as quickly as possible I suppose. A common 3-phase line with 16-32A will do for this. Coupled with solar panels and a storage battery it might even work in rural Oz.
For getting a real world impression how it works in practice, just go to Norway and see for yourself.

Originally Posted by Zeros

How long would it take to charge an EV on a standard three-phase outlet? and how many kwh would fill a Tesla battery for example?

Depends on battery size, state of charge and capacity of the outlet. Battery sizes of current Tesla Model S and X are 75kWh and 100kWh.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Drive 300 Ks to somewhere, stop for lunch and a recharge, drive some more, stop for the night, recharge overnight. All doable.

Anything is doable,but many won't want to do that.

What about a change over type system?

Just change over the battery at the garage,away you go.

But i suppose every manufacturer will have a different type of battery,and then there will be the new model that is better,and on it goes.

If a swap and go type of system could be organised,it is probably the way to go,with also the ability to charge them in other places and at home if needed.

Originally Posted by scarry

Anything is doable,but many won't want to do that.

What about a change over type system?

Just change over the battery at the garage,away you go.

But i suppose every manufacturer will have a different type of battery,and then there will be the new model that is better,and on it goes.

If a swap and go type of system could be organised,it is probably the way to go,with also the ability to charge them in other places and at home if needed.

Why's that? Only a change of attitude is needed. Much easier than you think. I adapted quickly to it. As I said earlier, look at Norway where it works in everyday life. Swap-over battery stations are probably not a viable solution. Tesla had those in California, but no one was using them (a Tesla battery pack can be swapped in less than 5 min).

Originally Posted by LRJim

Exactly, how many cars go through a freeway servo each hour and how much time do they spend at the pump? Maybe 1 or 2 mins? Ok 5 for diesel and LPG I'll give you.
How many cars per hour will a servo be able to fuel up if they were all EV? How many charging stations will they be able to handle blah blah blah you catch my drift
Not being a Debbie downer on EV but these are the things we need to resolve first, you could be waiting hours to get a charging station possibly days if everyone had an EV

Nup ... one of the current advances in batteries is quick recharge - as in, 5 minutes to 80%. There's two ways to this - better battery technology and simply faster charging of current batteries:

Quicker-to-recharge-batteries

Toshiba's new fast-charging battery could triple the range of electric vehicles

Electric-car batteries that charge in five minutes have lured an unlikely investor: Big Oil — Quartz

Faster charging

World's fastest charger gives electric cars full power in minutes | Daily Mail Online

The other thing to consider is that unlike ICE cars, with an EV you don't have to go to a servo to recharge - in most cases you can do it at home. So the servo would be for people who don't have access to a charger - street parking only, for example.