Reply With QuoteHow long do you guys reckon it’s going to take to roll out rapid EV chargers to all the road hoses in Australia?
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SubscriberWell there was this recent article:Originally Posted by loanrangie
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Wizard
How long do you guys reckon it’s going to take to roll out rapid EV chargers to all the road hoses in Australia?
Wizard
Don't know. There's a string from Cairns to Coolongatta already. But when demand increases, more will be required. Telsa's next model (out in 2020) has a claimed 1000km range. So less charging stations will be required.
Battery density is going up and prices down to a point where electric is competitive on price points.
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SupporterI am trying to decide if that is a clever play on words based on the fact that the liquid fuels we currently use are delivered through hoses.
On the other hand, it might be just a typo.
I suspect that the demand for chargers will pretty much determine the rate at which they are rolled out.
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There is a map showing there are already thousands of charging points around the country. I was surprised how many. There are 3 close to my house.
I noticed last night my Polaris GPS already includes a function under Places to find EV charging points.
In the UK there is a law requiring servos to offer charging points.
Plus EVs can charge from any power point - it just takes longer.
Wizard
SubscriberI agree the march of EVs' appears to be an almost irresistible force, but I would like to see it "hasten slowly"
One thing I see as a possibility of this happening too quickly, is the creation of a whole "underclass" of people who cannot afford to go EV.
$5K (with Govt subsidies) to put a minimal solar setup on your house; Probably barely able to run the household, let alone adding an EV;
$20K for a powerwall-type setup;
$???K to wire it all in;
$40K + for an EV; Also needs to allow for the massive depreciation and drop in trade-in value of the existing ICE vehicle;
That's supposing you own your own home. How many renters are going to set all this up? Very few, I'd imagine. Any landlord who does, will obviously want to recoup the cost via increased rent.
Is it going to end up like tobacco? No ICE vehicles allowed in carparks, or within 10 metres of doorways? Or in transit tunnels? Or anywhere else that their noxious fumes may inconvenience people?
Just a bit of "Devils' Advocacy"
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ForumSage
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That's supposing you own your own home. How many renters are going to set all this up? Very few, I'd imagine. Any landlord who does, will obviously want to recoup the cost via increased rent.
Is it going to end up like tobacco? No ICE vehicles allowed in carparks, or within 10 metres of doorways? Or in transit tunnels? Or anywhere else that their noxious fumes may inconvenience people?
Just a bit of "Devils' Advocacy"
Renters solar schemes already exist and the rest of Aust will probably follow South Aust lead
eg South Australian Government's Home Battery Scheme - Solar Choice
Wizard
Yes it is happening...However the maps show the majority of major central and northern Australia roadhouses have either a standard plug in facility or 3-phase - eg $0.44 per kwh. Not many have dedicated rapid chargers.
How long would it take to charge an EV on a standard three-phase outlet? and how many kwh would fill a Tesla battery for example?
Wizard
Healthy DA DonH,I agree the march of EVs' appears to be an almost irresistible force, but I would like to see it "hasten slowly"
One thing I see as a possibility of this happening too quickly, is the creation of a whole "underclass" of people who cannot afford to go EV.
$5K (with Govt subsidies) to put a minimal solar setup on your house; Probably barely able to run the household, let alone adding an EV;
$20K for a powerwall-type setup;
$???K to wire it all in;
$40K + for an EV; Also needs to allow for the massive depreciation and drop in trade-in value of the existing ICE vehicle;
That's supposing you own your own home. How many renters are going to set all this up? Very few, I'd imagine. Any landlord who does, will obviously want to recoup the cost via increased rent.
Is it going to end up like tobacco? No ICE vehicles allowed in carparks, or within 10 metres of doorways? Or in transit tunnels? Or anywhere else that their noxious fumes may inconvenience people?
Just a bit of "Devils' Advocacy"
Like all technology I reckon there will be very rapid uptake by all those who can afford it over the next 5-10years. Most tech has seen rapid uptake in the past 10 years... although we're mainly talking computers, phones, ipads, etc majority under $3,000. A $40k+ vehicle uptake will probably be another matter.
It will certainly be a very expensive change over in terms of vehicle ownership for the majority, who can only afford second hand cars.
The home charging situation will be the least of their worries, as long as charging the vehicle is cheaper than putting diesel for petrol in it!
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