Thread: Goodnight Diesel. ...Land Rover get your EV skates on!

Originally Posted by Zeros

Why would ICE continue? It’s dirty, noisy less powerful and probably less reliable.
It will be a sad day when the purr of a good Diesel engine is replaced with the silence of EVs for good. But not all that sad. Silence is golden in this world.

Why would ICE continue? It's cheap, readily available, proven technology, with a worldwide support network. There is a very large portion of the earth that has no access to electrical infrastructure, nor the funding to provide it.

So after the people living in these areas have finally built a reliance on ICE powered vehicles, the "EVangelists" wish to send them back to donkeys and handcarts to move things and people around?

In most of these areas, the vehicles being used are around 20 years old, or older. How many of the current crop of hybrids or EVs are we likely to see on our roads in 20 years? Let alone the types of roads that a lot of third world countries have. Considering the people in question overwhelmingly use utes, small trucks or mini-buses, there isn't going to be a lot to choose from.

As I've stated in other posts, I believe EV's are probably the way of the future, but there is still a place for ICE vehicles well into the future.

I agree.
When I lived in Saudi , the Land Cruiser wagons would be kept for maybe 5 years. Then they would be sold to Yemen and Yemini smugglers would use them to take contraband from Saudi.
After about 10 years they would then be sold to Sudan or Eretria and then become buses or whatever.

When I toured Egypt a few years ago I was happily surprised to find villages where they specialized in one type of car and restoring that make only. There was one village with lots of FJ40s some down to chassis being restored, one with Ford Customlines, one with xZilsX (Gaz Volgas) or whatever that bigger Soviet sedan was, and one with Jeeps.

There are still AFAIK thousands of Fiat Mirafiori or more probably Fiat Lada taxis in Cairo which must be 20-30 years old and some bear little resemblance to what they were originally.

When driving through Syria they were either Peugeot 504 wagons for the secret police or Dolmus which were 1948 USA things such as Dodges and Plymouths used as mini buses.
There will of course now be a surplus of ex ISIS Hilux utes with many being a bodge up of cut and shuts depending on where the missile hit.

Regards Philip A

Originally Posted by PhilipA

.....

There will of course now be a surplus of ex ISIS Hilux utes with many being a bodge up of cut and shuts depending on where the missile hit.

Regards Philip A

Love that!

Originally Posted by goingbush

I used to be a petrol head but Diesels and loud V8's have quickly becoming an offensive sound to me.

That isn't surprising. They do say that reformed smokers are the most intolerant of other people's smoke.

Originally Posted by donh54

Gee! They must have really, really smart charging controllers, then! You know, the ones with AI to figure out how long you're going to be home for, so they can limit the charging rate to spread the load over the appropriate time.
.

I think you're reading it wrong - I'd take that as meaning that if you can only charge at 2kwh it's going to take 10 hours to re-charge 20kwh.

Originally Posted by donh54

As far as I understand it, the controller will deliver the maximum amount of charge it can handle, until the batteries reach around 90-95% charge, and then the load tapers off. So you would be looking at a whole lot of electric radiators! Then, after you've plugged that in, you walk into the house, turn on the A/C, lights, the TV and put the kettle on. Not a simple thing for the infrastructure providers to allow for. .

Not sure that I follow your reasoning - the point that was being made was that recharging an EV at home is about the same draw per hour as using a single bar radiator. In the Australian context, an air conditioner or a pool pump. In other words, nothing particularly different to what's going on now. And as I've posted before, if you've got solar or batteries the net difference is even less.

As for midnight call outs, well there's few current electric cars that only have 20kwh batteries so you're probably going to have enough in there already.

The other thing is that having an electric car is not like having an ICE - with an ICE you don't top it up each night, but that is what you can do with an EV. So, in the morning an EV will nearly always have a full charge.

I have to say that a lot of the anti-EV comments sound a lot like what I'm told my great-grandmother, and a lot of other older people in the district, were saying when they started wiring houses up for electricity. We'll all be rooned, said Hanrahan ....

Change is coming, I'm not sure how fast, but not everyone is comfortable with that.

Originally Posted by donh54

Why would ICE continue? It's cheap, readily available, proven technology, with a worldwide support network. There is a very large portion of the earth that has no access to electrical infrastructure, nor the funding to provide it.

So after the people living in these areas have finally built a reliance on ICE powered vehicles, the "EVangelists" wish to send them back to donkeys and handcarts to move things and people around? .

As happened with phones - where the developing world simply skipped the copper lines stage and went straight to mobiles - I suspect that the developing world will ignore power lines and centralised generators and go straight to distributed generation. Distributed generation also has the benefit of resilience, which is a significant advantage.

As for buying second-hand EVs, there won't be any need because the developing world will be flooded with cheap Chinese ones - the scale of manufacture and adoption of EVs in China is staggering.

Originally Posted by scarry

[/COLOR]

FFS,if you think the infrastructure is already in place,your really showing your ignorance.These vehicles aren't just a portable appliance,like toaster or a vacuum cleaner,that can be plugged into a power point,and use a small amount of power for a few minutes.

They use a huge amount of power,and there will be millions of them,supposedly.

EDIT have a look at this,on an Australian site,

"Simply insert the J1772 nozzle in one end the and the other in your Tesla and you will be able to charge at up to 7.6kw or 30-40 kms of range per hour. Beauty!"

That equates to around 31 amps/hour,which is a huge amount of power.

And the infrastructure is in place for this sort of power usage?

Just imagine a block of say 300 or so units,where half the units have one car each that needs charging overnight?

The average household in Aus has two vehicles,many have three.

So even the average domestic house mains may struggle.

I thing SA is ready.

Originally Posted by donh54

Gee! They must have really, really smart charging controllers, then! You know, the ones with AI to figure out how long you're going to be home for, so they can limit the charging rate to spread the load over the appropriate time.
Pity if it hasn't spoken to your doctors' computer to realise that there is a really good chance of needing the car for a midnight dash to the Maternity Hospital!
I wonder what the future percentage of ambulance callouts due to flat batteries will be?

Anyone dim enough to come home with a nearly empty battery and expecting a magically full battery a couple of hours later will of course be left in the lurch. Those EV's have displays like a fuel gauge too you know. Anyway, a smart charger coupled to a smart meter will know at all times how much extra capacity your grid connection has and will charge your vehicle accordingly. And there's always the ancient D3 or D4 you keep on the front lawn on club rego that is 100% reliable and able to go no matter how long it's been parked up.