Thread: Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

And in Western Queensland where at high summer days are over 40 for weeks on end and only cool down to the high thirties late at night. Your whole house is warm to the touch and everything in it. People have been living and working in this environment since first settlement out there 150 years ago.

Only today was I regaling a yarn about sitting in the shade of the trailer, knocking back Cunnamulla cold stubbies, after a failure to proceed incident west of Jericho, many summers past.

Originally Posted by BradC

Seriously? Man. At least they are shipping real steel over to be worked. I hope that's what they are getting back.

When I was younger and slightly more stupid I imported a pallet load of copper tube from China as a trial. First copper I've ever found that was attracted to a magnet and rusted when I chucked some on the lawn under the sprinklers.

I now buy Kembla copper, along with Bluescope Aussie Steel I've always used. But yeah, I can see the "we can get it cheaper from over there" as I was one of those.

On the flip side, I sold the whole pallet of copper to the scrappie for about what I paid for it + shipping. So China can have their "copper tone" tube back. They might not buy our "recycling" anymore, but they still buy the shredded metals.

The number of times I've found pinholes and bigger in 2" plus copper tube that's lost hundreds of kg's of refrigerant in the last couple of years...

Its from inclusions in the metal blowing out, found another two weeks ago on a very large AC system.
One supermarket on the mid north coast needed every bit of pipe replaced a coupe of years ago.
We are talking hundreds of metres of copper, exy stuff encased in 100mm of urethane foam and PVC

False economy using cheap tube, let alone the potential enviro damage from a potent greenhouse gas but the bean counters in the large corps screw everyone on price.....

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

42c is the highest average temperature that human beings can live in without support

the body can no longer keep the internal organs cool enough.

if they are living in a protected environment vis air conditioned housing they can endure short bouts in those temperatures.

this is medical fact

Yes! I'm sure all those wealthy Ethiopians live it up in their luxurious air conditioned homes after a hard day mining sulphur and salt and whatnot!
Probably out by their in ground chilled pools too, sipping pina coladas, making millions off the stock market too!



I think this 'medical fact'(as you put it) simply means that the modern human is going soft. Just can't be stuffed with anything.
Like Bigbjorn says, but more importantly than his example .. people have been living and working and enduring those sorts of conditions for millennia! ... let alone 150 years.
Civilisations were built in those areas.

Maybe these small tidbits of history continually get swept under the carpet because they're not medical facts, or some new research paper written by a climate scientist or something.

I seem to recall a medical fact, from a couple of hundred years ago, which claimed that humans would expire at a speed over 40 mph.
Geez, we acclimatise quickly, ay!

Originally Posted by V8Ian

I'm glad I didn't know that gem when I lived/worked in the Pilbara. I'd never have survived.

Perhaps you didn't and you're in paradise.?

Ramblingboy did say, 42c average temperature, slightly different to 42c maximum temperature think about it

The 42 degree figure Rambling Boy quoted was an average temperature, not a maximum.
The average summer temperature in the Pilbara is 35 degrees, 7 degrees less than the 42 he quoted.
The average in Ethiopia in summer is also 35 degrees.
So Rambling Boy was talking about an average 7 degrees higher than at present.
If climate change does cause the average temperature to rise by 4-5 degrees by 2100 as predicted, then we could be in the deep doo doo Rambling Boy described.
We better install lots of solar panels to generate the electricity we will need to be able to afford to run air-con so we can survive.


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