Thread: Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

Originally Posted by Johndoe

We talk of Aboriginal Land Management all the time.
What is that?

Aboriginals did not have a common spoken language or written language or anywhere to store or read said writings.
I was under the impression aboriginals kept largely to there own areas or else they would get killed by rival groups?

Aboriginal management was to do bugger all. Let the fires burn and move onto another area.
No organisation or intent rather simply survival.
Fire there lets move. Largely what we are doing right now!!

Aboriginal Land Management LOL.

Doing NOTHING does not mean Land Management!

You can be forgiven for thinking that. Nowadays not many Aborigines have much of a clue about land management by fire, AFAIK, only the Kimberley and Arnhem land carry out the practice. I'm not sure how far the practice was carried out, I'll try to find out.

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...d+28_April.pdf

Originally Posted by bob10

You can be forgiven for thinking that. Nowadays not many Aborigines have much of a clue about land management by fire, AFAIK, only the Kimberley and Arnhem land carry out the practice. I'm not sure how far the practice was carried out, I'll try to find out.

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...d+28_April.pdf

Thats a nice PDF.

I dont that particular pdf was available to Aboriginals before white man invaded though.
Lets be honest here.

We (white fellas) have totally changed the layout of the land through our own management.
Black Fellas just let it burn and moved onto another piece of land which allowed it to regrow properly.
Not something they knowingly did, rather a side effect of doing NOTHING.

Another thing thats annoying me currently.
Its been below temp here in Morwell for the past week. Jumper weather and rain for the past 24 hrs.
Nothing on the news to suggest the unseasonably bad weather has anything to do with climate change. Not a single bloody peep. But if another fire starts watch the parrots spew there vial.

Originally Posted by Johndoe

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Its been below temp here in Morwell for the past week. Jumper weather and rain for the past 24 hrs.
Nothing on the news to suggest the unseasonably bad weather has anything to do with climate change. Not a single bloody peep. But if another fire starts watch the parrots spew there vial.

That is because there is a difference between local weather and global climate.

What happens in a particular town on a particular day does nothing to either prove or disprove global trends.

Originally Posted by vnx205

That is because there is a difference between local weather and global climate.

What happens in a particular town on a particular day does nothing to either prove or disprove global trends.

So why then has ABC for example settled down on the BUSHFIRES = CLIMATE CHANGE and are now back to the usual political crap?

East Gippsland a week ago was all about hot temps and how that is driven by blah blah blah. Hottest in a specific LOCATION in blah blah.

Local weather temps as evidence of global trends. When its hot mate, not when its cold.

Who is claiming that the fires are a consequence of what happened in a small area over a short period of time?

They are saying they are a consequence of what is happening across the globe over a long period of time. The drought didn't happen because it didn't rain one day or one week.

There are people on both sides of the debate who don't understand the difference between a local weather event and a global climate trend.

There is certainly a huge difference between climate and short term weather.
For example, weather is what's happening at the moment or over a short term. Climate is, for example, that average Australian temperature is now 1.5 degrees hotter than it was a century ago. And that's only recent climate. Long term climate would be that central Australia used to be flooded, with the ocean extending down from the gulf.

A couple of recent posters have said that Aboriginal people 'just let it burn'. I used to that too, but I was wrong.
I know now that Aboriginal people actively managed the land as part of their farming practices. For example, they grew more than 100 species of perennial grains, such as kangaroo grass, across the southern two-thirds of the continent, in a much larger area than our current wheatbelt. Cool burns were used to create cleared areas on the best soil, while trees were left on the poorer soil. That's how they thrived while white explorers like Burke and Wills starved on the same land. It's also how they controlled fires to prevent their food crops from being destroyed.
This is well documented in books such as:

Dark Emu by Bruce Pascoe
The greatest estate on Earth by Bill Gammage

I recommend you read them. They certainly opened my eyes.

This fire expert questions the value of having another royal commission into the bushfire, when there have been 57 similar past inquires, which have produced a large number of recommendations, including on hazard management and adoption of Aboriginal practices.
However, most of those recommendations have not been implemented. It's one thing for a government to accept recommendations, but nothing will happen unless governments fund people to put the recommendations into practice.
For example, how many teams of Aboriginal rangers funded to carry out hazard reduction are there in Australia? I'm not sure, but it's a small number.
Queensland leads in hazard reduction with about 3 million hectares annually, while NSW only does about 600,000 hectares, from memory.
Its not one size fits all either, because the vegetation varies so much that it requires huge local knowledge of plant growth and fire tolerance.
So what's the point of a 58th inquiry if it's recommendations will be ignored, like the previous inquiries?

Analysis: I've given evidence at seven bushfire inquiries — this is what we should do instead of having another one
We have already had countless bushfire inquiries. What good will it do to have another? - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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We will have our inquiries.
People will get paid for the time.
Nothing will get done.
Fires will happen again.
We will have inquiries.

Rinse and repeat.