Man loses 33 demerit points in one go.

Watch youtube of any 4WDing gone wrong in USA and no one wears seatbelts, and most prefer to have doors removed. Its beyond belief to me . The amount of videos that show people being ejected from or thrown around in vehicles is ridiculous.

I remember the slogan of the Victorian road safety campaign in 1977 or thereabouts; 'Draw the line at 899'. Campaigning to get the state's annual road death toll under 900 persons, over four times what it was in 2018. There can be little doubt that the culture of seat-belt use has been the single biggest factor in the reduction in deaths. If people choose not to wear seat belts themselves that is one thing, but if they choose not to appropriately restrain their children that is another thing entirely.

****.. when I get around to posting pics of my shed build you'll see stuff that is sooo bad as in OH&S that some will weep.

The thing is it was my shed, it was all done legally and I did it myself and no animals or children or anyone else were 'injured'.

I work like this because I have learnt to manage risks by taking them, with me being the only one copping the downside if something goes wrong.

ASFAIK the world has stopped a proper learning process and the lawyers have taken over.

cheers, DL

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Originally Posted by Homestar

Your problem should you have had a prang but would you put kids in your car without making them put their seat belts on?

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Having passengers lying down in the back of a van is seriously risky for them and very exxy for the community when things go pear shaped.

This is not just a normal prang risk situation.

DL

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Originally Posted by POD

I remember the slogan of the Victorian road safety campaign in 1977 or thereabouts; 'Draw the line at 899'. Campaigning to get the state's annual road death toll under 900 persons, over four times what it was in 2018. There can be little doubt that the culture of seat-belt use has been the single biggest factor in the reduction in deaths. If people choose not to wear seat belts themselves that is one thing, but if they choose not to appropriately restrain their children that is another thing entirely.

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And Victoria's population is almost double now what it was then.

(ABS - 3,852,589 in 1977 vs 6,359,000 now

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

nobody can do 240volt wiring yet in UK they can.

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Did you know that you cannot use a hairdryer in a bathroom in the UK? This is because they simply don't provide power outlets within 3 metres of a bath or shower. Too dangerous on 240v, apparently. So you're going to need a very long cord if you want to dry your hair in there.

But then they install electric "power showers" ... but that's safe apparently ....

The experience of living in the UK is of having to put up with one ridiculous regulation after another, so it's probably not the example of a laissez faire country you were looking for ...

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Originally Posted by 3toes

Back seat passengers need to ease seat belt as well.

A few years ago was an accident near me where car not going more than 30kph hit a small tree. Passenger in back not wearing seat belt hit seat in front breaking seat from mountings and pushing seat and occupant who was wearing seat belt into dash board and windscreen with resulting injuries and stay in hospital for both. If wearing seat belt both would have walked away.

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Until 2008 back seat passengers in Japan didn't have to wear seat belts, and compliance is still patchy. My mother in law refused to wear a seat belt in the back seat so I didn't allow her to sit behind me. When I was asked why I said so that she didn't hit me when we braked hard and she went flying. And this is despite one of her friends who was in the back seat and not wearing a seat belt actually being killed in a collision at just 30kmh.

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Did you know that you cannot use a hairdryer in a bathroom in the UK? This is because they simply don't provide power outlets within 3 metres of a bath or shower. Too dangerous on 240v, apparently. So you're going to need a very long cord if you want to dry your hair in there.

But then they install electric "power showers" ... but that's safe apparently ....

The experience of living in the UK is of having to put up with one ridiculous regulation after another, so it's probably not the example of a laissez faire country you were looking for ...

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The bathroom one in the UK is due to regulations requiring a wet room standard switch and a switch board circuit breaker which is more expensive than a pull cord for the light and no power point.

House builders in the U.K. tend to be national organisations which take the cheapest option to maximise profits. This has resulted in people thinking this is normal

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Originally Posted by 350RRC

Having passengers lying down in the back of a van is seriously risky for them and very exxy for the community when things go pear shaped.

This is not just a normal prang risk situation.

DL

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When I was in school had a friend die in the back of a panel van when his father it rolled .

Here is another view.

I read a while ago that although many fewer people are actually killed in car accidents the number of serious injuries has increased greatly.
This has put great stress on hospitals and health services.

Which is cheaper for society as a whole ? That the Darwin Awards contestants get it over with and kill themselves or they spend their lives in and out of hospital at great expense to the community?

While I know that this is not a popular view , I would wear my seatbelt even if it were not compulsory, but there are many even now that do not. All those examples are from the past, but even without legislation in the USA seat belt use increased when it was not compulsory.

Most people don't know that seat belts and air bags only protect up to 60Kmh. Any accident on the highway where two cars collide head on at 100Kmh is potentially fatal.
Regards Philip A