ANTI TERRORIST AND SECURITY RULES ARE BECOMING COMPLETELY REDICULOUS.......

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

"Not Regional Airports"?.....Not yet.
The Scum that plan & do attempt, & sometimes succeed, to action their plan, could turn up anywhere, and IMHO could decide to target any sort of "Regional Area", not just airports, because they may see easier opportunities in these locations.

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The real problem is that regional and major routes all intersect at major airports. The regionals come in to the same terminal, so Fred decants from a Dash-8 and go straight into the lounge to transfer onto a 737 to haul across the country. Fred is carrying something nasty which he carried onto the regional with the 6 other passengers and is now not re-screened before he gets onto the bigger aircraft.

Frankly the solution is to re-screen transit passengers from regionals before they get into the lounge (just like every major international terminal does when the source and destination countries screening rules are incompatible), but that would upset the major terminals / airlines (read cause them extra cost which the can, but won't bear) so they push it out to the regions and put them out of business.

A bit the same as when members of ICAO loosened the ban on metal knives on aircraft, but as Qantas had years worth of stock of plastic knives they strong-armed CASA into keeping the regulation to force their use.

There ya go, I've entered the realm of conspiracy theory and the devolution of the thread is complete.

Major airports should screen everyone. Regional airports can't afford to do it.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Major airports should screen everyone. Regional airports can't afford to do it.

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I don't disagree with you at all. There would be some reconfiguration of the lounges required but in Perth (for example) it could be relatively well managed on the domestic side using the current configuration based on the old terminal split up. It would mean however bags would need to be re-screened as part of the baggage process.

No different however to flying in domestic and doing an international transfer when you think about it. It's just another level in the screening process.

The other non-obvious headache (unless you do this sort of thing and are exposed to it) is these regional airports suddenly need extra admin staff to keep a transport security plan up to date and commit to regular audits and reviews. Then there is the operational documentation. It becomes quite onerous.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Yes. There are currently air services to a lot of places that only drop off/pick up a few passengers each flight. These sorts of requirements effectively mean the airlines will simply not be able to service these towns.

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Indeed. The last time I flew Brisbane-Longreach-Winton I was the only passenger on the Longreach-Winton leg. Full plane left Brisbane and two thirds deplaned at Emerald and all remaining bar me got off at Longreach. The fare was hair-raising. Not so on all routes. A while ago I needed to get to Mt. Isa urgently. Brisbane-Mt. Isa flights were booked out three weeks ahead so I had no alternative but to drive. My memory of the fare was that I could have gone to London for less.

I am reminded of the time (many years ago we had to get a mechanic to Mt Isa to fix some machinery. Couldn't drive because the roads were cut (wet season), and he had to cool his heels in Townsville for several days, the flights to Mt Isa being booked out. When he finally got on the Friendship he realised why - he was one of six passengers; all the other seats were occupied by nine gallon kegs, strapped in.

I'm not sure they'd get away with that these days!

Are they talking about all airports?
In Doomadgee we have 2 blokes who do the whole thing, safety, airport inspections, unload, load, chek-in everything.
To have people trained in security etc, where do they come from?
Where do they live? All the housing here is council or government owned, except a few leased places like the Roadhouse.
I just don't see how that would work in a place like this.

I regularly forget to take off my Leatherman when I fly out. I got into quite an argument at Weipa airport over it, not to mention the tool I use to clean my smoking pipe.

Seems a silly idea to me thinking risk to cost analysis.

Jonesfam

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Originally Posted by jonesfam

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There's your mistake right there.

I believe it applies to all flights with 20 or more seats - not specific to the airport, but rather the class of aircraft. I suspect there are not many scheduled services operating aircraft with less than 20 seats these days, although there will be some.

I suppose the security people could fly in with passengers, but that's taking up seats.
Better to screen passengers from regional airports on arrrival at major airports, I think.
I mean, terrorists can be caught when checking in at major airports.
Are we really suggesting someone from Birdsville is going to try to hijack a plane to Brisbane?

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I suppose the security people could fly in with passengers, but that's taking up seats.
Better to screen passengers from regional airports on arrrival at major airports, I think.
I mean, terrorists can be caught when checking in at major airports.
Are we really suggesting someone from Birdsville is going to try to hijack a plane to Brisbane?

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Re your last line,...it's not a question of that (location/local flight) at all.
IMHO, if terrorists were to get on a plane at Birdsville, and then blow up the plane in flight or whatever, they will create just as much drama & fear as doing the same thing on a major airline flight, maybe more (fear), as travelers will be aware that this sort of stuff can happen anywhere.....as I believe it can,......and will.
Pickles.