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As far as I know wind turbines don't affect land use and even MW scale solar farms use little land in the greater scheme of things. Most of the new plants going in in Victoria are in the north, and that's not particularly productive land - and with the fall in average rainfall, heading to be even less so.Quote:
Originally Posted by trout1105
Yes, also, many of their wind turbines are offshore in the ocean. I remember seeing some in Scotland. The ones on land don't affect farming anyway.
My word how things change.
I recall Victorians (not the circa 1900 ones with funny hats & frocks) btw [smilebigeye] sticking it up SA & being quite Cock O Hoop when we had a blackout a couple of years ago.
Since we have had the "Big Battery," & got other things organised as far as I can recall we have not had a problem & now Vic has.
Mick there is also a huge " Wind farm" in the sea off the Kentish Coast situated betwen North & South Forelands & the Goodwin Sands.
Just sayin'.
Yes, if this thread was in Current Affairs I could say something political about that, but it isn't, so I won't.
Well it was only one or two Sundays ago when the wholesale price in each of Qld, NSW, Vic, Tas and SA hit $0 at the same time for 5 mins.
Combined renewables were producing 44% of demand at the time.
This was reported in the Oz. (albeit in a very small article, down the bottom of a LH page)
This event is only relevant because it has never happened before, I certainly don't see it as a cause for celebration because there is a hell of a lot to do before it even gets close to being a cheap reliable situation.
It was for 5 minutes when demand was at it's lowest and the wind was blowing, etc.
The point I'm trying to make is that both sides of 'the divide' on the future of energy provision should not indulge in either wishful thinking or telling outright lies and take note of real info.
DL
What problem does Victoria have? Have there been blackouts that I didn't notice?Quote:
Originally Posted by 4bee
The original question - is Victoria a net importer of electricity hasn't been answered. The answer is NO:
Last summer's heatwave made electricity price forecasts look foolish. Will it happen again? | RenewEconomy
In the quarter ended March 2019 Victoria was a net EXPORTER of electricity by about 300 MW. And on top of that, there's about 800 MW of renewables coming on line by 1 January 2020, including Murra Warra.
We have a wind farm here outside Geraldton and I have also been to the wind farm outside Jurian Bay and at both of them only farming being done was livestock production, It wouldn't be to clever to drive a header or airseeder under those blades so cropping isn't an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arapiles
Solar arrays take up quite a lot of land and regardless of how productive that land is it is rendered unusable and with the way our populations are exploding we will need every scrap of arible land to feed everyone.
I am pretty sure that WA is self sufficient for power and we don't need to import any[thumbsupbig]
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Originally Posted by 350RRC
$0 wholesale price has happeend many times before and not hard to achieve when far from peak demand.
i think a more relevant measure is to look at peak demand. at peak demand, vic is an exporter of power. when the battery runs out and the wind stops blowing, who's powering the country? vic is.
I don't know where that's happening Trout , most of our good ag land has houses built on it!Quote:
Originally Posted by trout1105
Agriculture has 75% of our landmass, I read. Much of that agriculture is low intensive grazing on degraded land. We'd be better off to remove the cattle from the most damaged land, install solar and wind farms, and let the land recover.