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    I was born into a Holden family and bought 10 new Holdens of my own over 40 years from a V8 Torana in 1974 to an SS Commodore in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tote View Post
    Holden had a nice little earner with performance sedans and Utes until the demise of local production.
    Along this line, I am surprised HSV has not developed the new Commodore (it does actually look OK) along the lines of the old HSV Commodore - the old HSV Commodores had a following and I think putting in a 6.2 V8 with rear wheel drive in the new Commodore like they have done with the V8 Supercars would probably have sold well in a small niche corner of the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eevo View Post
    title is wrong.
    should read: Holden (GM) turns their backs on Australians
    They are one and the same. Semantics about the name mean nothing. Holden has been a local name only for decades everyone understands this. They are reaping what the have sown...


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    Quote Originally Posted by 101RRS View Post
    Along this line, I am surprised HSV has not developed the new Commodore (it does actually look OK) along the lines of the old HSV Commodore - the old HSV Commodores had a following and I think putting in a 6.2 V8 with rear wheel drive in the new Commodore like they have done with the V8 Supercars would probably have sold well in a small niche corner of the market.

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    I agree. I thought that I read that for the road car the Turbo's in the V6 wouldn't fit and same with the V8. I think the people would have wanted the V8 though, even if there is more power available from the V6TT
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    HSV investigated very thoroughly what they could do to develop an HSV version of the VXR, but nothing added up,.....make of this statement as you will.
    On the subject of the current ""Commodore" & its "unpopularity", the so called "expert" press have plenty to do with creating an unpopular feeling for this car. I've driven several examples, and it's a great car, well finished & with varying levels of performance depending upon which model suits your application.
    Have you driven all of the variations that are available?
    Ain't never saying it's the best car on the planet, but it sure ain't the worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 101RRS View Post
    Along this line, I am surprised HSV has not developed the new Commodore (it does actually look OK) along the lines of the old HSV Commodore - the old HSV Commodores had a following and I think putting in a 6.2 V8 with rear wheel drive in the new Commodore like they have done with the V8 Supercars would probably have sold well in a small niche corner of the market.

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    Who's going to pay for R&D, including crash testing etc. for a niche car like that? HSV did mods that fell within the testing Holden did on the base car. HSV never paid a cent for crash or emission testing, everything they did was already tested by the big boys. A 6.2 Opel Insignia exists nowhere in the world, in fact a V8 RWD Opel Insignia exists nowhere in the world, so there is absolutely no avenue for HSV to pursue such a thing, and the number of punters who would buy one would in no way justify the $BILLIONS it would cost to develop one. If, and it is a VERY big if, there was a market worldwide then maybe, but there ain't and there never will be. It's why Commodore and Falcon went belly up in the first place. With safety and emission laws the way they are there is simply no financial justification for building low volume vehicles ( make no mistake, the mainstream Commodore and Falcon were low volume on a world scale, HSV and FPV were mere blips ) anywhere except maybe Mexico, ( who'd buy a car developed there? ), and the UK which still allows tiny mobs like Noble and Morgan to make their 100 or so cars a year out of some sort of British charity.

    (OT) This is precisely the reason the old Deefer died. LR could have kept it going, UK only, but sales had fallen to ridiculous levels.

    Maybe LR should sell the plans and dies and stamping tools to Morgan. The two seem to fit each other, clinging tooth and nail to the past, and Morgan need a new model.... That was said with a bit of a tear in my eye, as I love the Deefer. The new one will never be a Deefer. It'll just be good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    They are one and the same. Semantics about the name mean nothing. Holden has been a local name only for decades everyone understands this. They are reaping what the have sown...
    Think you need to read Eevo's post again with your teeth in, Gav. He ain't mixing GM with Holden, he's merely saying what a lot of folk think. Me included, if I'm honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntins View Post
    Think you need to read Eevo's post again with your teeth in, Gav. He ain't mixing GM with Holden, he's merely saying what a lot of folk think. Me included, if I'm honest.
    So you’re blaming all of Holdens woes on GM and saying the local Holden management did nothing wrong?.... Right, whatever makes you sleep better at night. 😉

    By the replies so far it would seem most don’t in fact care that GM pulling the strings makes much difference. GM have owned Holden since 1931. We were all happy with that until the raped the taxpayer and ****ed over everyone here, but now it’s all their fault and Holden had nothing to do with it?

    Blame it on whoever you like, the sooner this cluster**** of a company dies here, the better IMO.

    Run our and buy a new Craptiva or Equinox or ‘Commodore’ if you think this turd needs saving, I won’t be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickles2 View Post
    HSV investigated very thoroughly what they could do to develop an HSV version of the VXR, but nothing added up,.....make of this statement as you will.
    Of course they did. They need a continuing business model after all, and I doubt the Colorado measures up. But shoehorning a 6.2 RWD into an Opel Insignia FWD would test even AMG, and that is what Garry was suggesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pickles2 View Post
    On the subject of the current ""Commodore" & its "unpopularity", the so called "expert" press have plenty to do with creating an unpopular feeling for this car.
    I don't believe the press had much to do with it. No doubt some of them, those who loved the GTS for example, would be disappointed, but seriously, who reads Wheels anymore? I'm sure the ZB ( sounds like a Fairlane ) is a competent car. So is a Mondeo. (Ford had the sense not to call that a Falcon though). But the mob have moved on, The Commodore is an Opel. I'm sure it will be well built. I'm also sure it will be bland. So, what's its advantage over, say, a Mazda 6, or a Camry? It has none. The VF still had the cred of V8 RWD as its halo. HSV on the ZB has less cred than a TRD Aurion.

    Welcome to the jelly mould future, folks. You should all be grateful to LandRover for giving us the New Defender. At least it is a little different from the mob.

    (Disclaimer lol. I grew up with Norm Beechey, Harry Firth, Colin Bond and Allan Moffat, and I adored Australian muscle cars. I haven't seen one since around 1984. So I don't gibe a stuff about HSV or FPV. Just importing stuff and bolting it on doesn't float my boat. One caveat though.. The work Ford did locally on the Barra, and especially the Turbo, was exceptional. The Barra remains a milestone in Australian engineering history. Sure, Pickles, it does not have the history of the Repco 5000, but it was awesome. And it was, like the 308, entirely Australian, unlike the LS.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntins View Post
    I don't believe the press had much to do with it. No doubt some of them, those who loved the GTS for example, would be disappointed, but seriously, who reads Wheels anymore? I'm sure the ZB ( sounds like a Fairlane ) is a competent car. So is a Mondeo. (Ford had the sense not to call that a Falcon though). But the mob have moved on, The Commodore is an Opel. I'm sure it will be well built. I'm also sure it will be bland. So, what's its advantage over, say, a Mazda 6, or a Camry? It has none. The VF still had the cred of V8 RWD as its halo. HSV on the ZB has less cred than a TRD Aurion.
    Agreed, it’s not like everyone in the Country turned their back on the Commodore because of what the press said, that just ridiculous. Holden ****ed it up, pure and simple. Even Commodore drivers are smart enough to see that. 😉 The press only echoed what everyone was thinking.

    Pickles - it doesn’t matter that it may drive well and not be the worst car in the world, the Australian public were never going at accept a front wheel drive import as a ‘Commodore’. If they’d called it something else they may have sold more of them. They changed from Kingswood to Commodore and that went down ok as the Commodore was a different car from the Kingswood - they left the old model as it was. The bright spark who thought they could continue the Commodore name with a completely different car didn’t think things through too well at all IMO. Given that a ‘new’ Commodore you buy today will have been built in 2017, it’s pretty hard to deny that. I don’t think they’ve got to 2018 models yet, but I could be wrong. I do know that production was halted over 6 months ago and has not restarted so guessing there’s still a glut of the ****ers out there waiting to be sold.


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