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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    Agreed, it’s not like everyone in the Country turned their back on the Commodore because of what the press said,
    Nope, they turned their back because it was no longer a Commodore. Folks may be fickle, but they are consistently fickle.
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    Australians turn their backs on Holden

    SAPOL Whyalla recently had to abandon a High Speed chase as the Opel overheated Australians turn their backs on Holden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    So you’re blaming all of Holdens woes on GM and saying the local Holden management did nothing wrong?.... Right, whatever makes you sleep better at night. 😉

    By the replies so far it would seem most don’t in fact care that GM pulling the strings makes much difference. GM have owned Holden since 1931. We were all happy with that until the raped the taxpayer and ****ed over everyone here, but now it’s all their fault and Holden had nothing to do with it?

    Blame it on whoever you like, the sooner this cluster**** of a company dies here, the better IMO.

    Run our and buy a new Craptiva or Equinox or ‘Commodore’ if you think this turd needs saving, I won’t be.
    Huh? How did you get all that from my post?? I'm doing nothing of the sort. I was merely pointing out that Eevo expressed something that I was going to. GM ( so that you are sure, that is Detroit ) turned their back on us. They chucked about $1billion at GMH ( just so you are sure, that is Holden ) so that we got the mostly Nissan engined VL Commodore in around 1986. Then they washed their hands of Holden, and the Aus Govt stepped in to prop GMH ( Same ) up.

    GMH answered totally to GM. As you say, they owned Holden's from 1931. Remember, that was a coach building company. GM took money, all the time, from then until Holden could not turn a profit, which came around the time the VH arrived, although the writing was on the wall with the VB. If you really want to look at in terms of 'success' though, Holden's hold on market leader status became shaky around the HX. They turned the Torana into a "Sunbird", to compete with the Toyota Corona, of all things. ( they even shared an engine for a while, the Starfire Four. We called it the 'Backfire four'.
    Then there was Radial Tuned Suspension, which attracted the same mob that think HSV is special. WOW. Gave us the HZ. I cannot begin to tell you how thrilled I was....
    Holden then gave us the VB Commodore. They took an Opel Rekord, took away the IRS and gave it a crap live axle, added the asthmatic red motor ( OK, maybe it was Black ) and presented it to us like it was a BMW.
    When Holden was unable to meet the ADR 27A emission laws with their engines, GM should have taken them out the back and shot them. Instead, we got one of the best Commodores ever. It wasn't a great car, but it was a Great engine. Nissan build great straight six engines. Pity Holden put such a low nose on the VL that the car didn't cool. The VL Turbo had massive cooling issues, which weren't apparent on the Skyline that shared the same engine. And this situation was what a Billion dollars bought?

    I'm sorry, Gav, but I don't understand what you read into my comments. Apart from being a Ford man back when it meant something, I gave up on Holden at least three decades ago, maybe more. If I had any sympathy for them, the VL was the last straw in cynicism.

    They did maintain some cred with the V8 for a few years, but then sourced crate engines from the US. They haven't been Australian for 25 years, except for the location of the factory.

    I give far more credit to Ford, in the recent dying days. The Barra engine is incredible, and it was wholly developed here. Where was Holden on this? Ford Australia's development of the Miami V8 locally is also impressive. And then there is Broadmeadows, where Ford develops cars for the Asia/Pacific region. The list of cars totally or partially developed here in Melbourne is seriously impressive, except none bear the GM logo.

    You read me completely wrong, Gav. I gave up on Holden more than 30 years ago, and I suggest that you brush up on your comprehension skills. Holden? Good riddance. Ford? Not so much, at least not yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    So you’re blaming all of Holdens woes on GM and saying the local Holden management did nothing wrong?.... Right, whatever makes you sleep better at night. 😉
    i listed both as both were responsible. but i wasnt overthinking it like your are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    SAPOL Whyalla recently had to abandon a High Speed chase as the Opel overheated Australians turn their backs on Holden
    how fast were you going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    SAPOL Whyalla recently had to abandon a High Speed chase as the Opel overheated Australians turn their backs on Holden
    Better than Vic, Mike. It's the OHS laws that overheat here. The M5 BMWs are fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntins View Post
    They did maintain some cred with the V8 for a few years, but then sourced crate engines from the US. They haven't been Australian for 25 years, except for the location of the factory.

    I give far more credit to Ford, in the recent dying days. The Barra engine is incredible, and it was wholly developed here. Where was Holden on this? Ford Australia's development of the Miami V8 locally is also impressive. And then there is Broadmeadows, where Ford develops cars for the Asia/Pacific region. The list of cars totally or partially developed here in Melbourne is seriously impressive, except none bear the GM logo.
    I really think you've missed a hell of a lot that Holden have done and are still doing. Those blue oval glasses really aren't very good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntins View Post
    GM ( so that you are sure, that is Detroit ) turned their back on us. They chucked about $1billion at GMH ( just so you are sure, that is Holden ) so that we got the mostly Nissan engined VL Commodore in around 1986.
    While I dont agree with some of your points in the above posts, you also make some good points - but the sarcasm like that in the quote does not become you and weakens your overall argument.

    Homestar, as we all do - know exactly the relationship between GM and General Motors-Holden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slunnie View Post
    I really think you've missed a hell of a lot that Holden have done and are still doing. Those blue oval glasses really aren't very good!
    Given that I don't care one way or the other, I'd suggest you give your own specs a polish. I have no brand loyalty ( sure, I did once), but I would be interested to hear your take on what "Holden is doing". Apart from dying, that is. I, for one, would be pleased to hear that Holden is as engaged in the Asia/Pacific region as Ford Australia is. If, in fact they are, then they need to tell people about it.

    I repeat, I would LOVE for Holden to be engaged here. I grew up with the Big Two and a Half. I would love for the Holden name to continue to mean something. That, however, is their job, not mine. Maybe that's a job for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 101RRS View Post
    While I dont agree with some of your points in the above posts, you also make some good points - but the sarcasm like that in the quote does not become you and weakens your overall argument.

    Homestar, as we all do - know exactly the relationship between GM and General Motors-Holden.

    Garry
    Can you run that by me again? Not sure of the sarcasm you refer to. Did you miss a "quote" thing or something?

    Anyway, If you detected sarcasm, it wasn't directed at Gav, but at GM. They took us for granted for decades, but ran away at the first sign of trouble ( OK, OK, not the FIRST sign ).
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