Holden axed in Aussie.

Look at Nascar, call them what you want, there is really no brand recognition yet Toyota put their name on some and the public go along with it.

Same could happen here.

Or we could move to something like GT3 which IMO is better class racing than British Touring Cars.

What would be good would be a class that attracts internationals , very much like our Bathurst 6 & 12 hr.

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Originally Posted by incisor

and went so much better with a 186 fitted to them :P

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imagine how much better it'd go with a Barra.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

V8supercars have no relationship to Holdens or Fords sold to the public.
I cannot believe how deluded the fans are that go to Bathurst.
Lets see Nissans Volvo’s and Holdens do not come in RWD and the Mustangs look nothing like real Mustangs.
All have space frames engines and transmissions that cost a kings ransom.

All are levelled to provide a spectacle .
BTW there is a rumour from John Cadogan that no teams are viable and are secretly subsidised by the Federal government.
I cannot see much wrong with that off course considering the billions spent on football stadiums.
Give the proletariat cake.

But the cars could be anything. how about Kias or maybe MGs. Or maybe anyone rich enough or stupid enough to burn millions.

Regards PhilipA

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Supercars like lots of other private organisations have mastered the art if sucking lots of cash out of governments....who are more than willing to attend to glad hand the media. They often use blackmail eg "we'll leave if you don't give us money etc etc...and look at the cash we bring to your State etc etc

The maxim is "privatise the profits and socialise the costs"

Worse still many hand outs are kept confidential despite being public money.

Nice work if you can get it😎

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Originally Posted by Stuck

I was too busy trying to forget the UC Torana to think about the WB.

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I've been trying to forget the Backfire Four for decades. Toyota even used that lump in the XT130 'Corona'! I remember the ad " Damn crever, these Ostlalians". Although, that was really for the awful Sunbird.

https://youtu.be/JhkFyh9F8vo

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Originally Posted by scarry

Exactly.

Fans are not deluded at all,its a red versus blue,as it has been since the late 60's.They know its now not what is in the showrooms.HAs been like this for over 20yrs.

It is amazing some think they are.

They had other brands for quite a few years,and that didn't work,in fact this is the first year its back to Red and Blue for quite a few years.

Without being pessimistic,i think its all over,and will be a real shame not to have the series,and Bathurst as we know it now.

I also think many of the younger generation have no interest in the rivalry and the series in general,which doesn't help.

Other categories have come and gone,over the years,but none have had the following of the Supercars in their current form.

I hope i am wrong,we will have to wait and see.

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Thank You, for, unlike some, a sensible answer.
I have no idea what will be the future of what we commonly call "Aussie Tin Tops". And I have said, no dollars of mine would go into a Supercars Team.
However, there are some very passionate Teams, & equally passionate sponsors (what other reason could they have to be involved?!), and so I believe that Supercars will be alive & well into 2021 & beyond.
Pickles.

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I've been trying to forget the Backfire Four for decades. Toyota even used that lump in the XT130 'Corona'! I remember the ad " Damn crever, these Ostlalians". Although, that was really for the awful Sunbird.

https://youtu.be/JhkFyh9F8vo

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That was the LX Torana withe the (h)OPEL(ess) 1900. The starfire/misfire 4 was a 2850 (173) 6 cyl. with pots 2 and 5 removed. Tough motor but the rest of the car ????. Took them while to learn with OPEL too, the rebodied Camira called the Calibra, plus other ill thought out ventures like the SB Barina, the TR Astra and the JR Vectra. Now I'm getting flashbacks of that other pearl of Holden wisdom, the Suburban. That thing was 5 years old in the states when it was new here. How was that ever going to work ?.

I didn't mind the 173,had it in my first company car,a '73 Belmont HQ ute,drums all round,three on the tree,cross ply tyres.......[bigsad][biggrin][biggrin]
It did some work,fully loaded all the time,arse dragging on the ground,a lot of country work fixing milk vats.Oh,and there was also a set of golf clubs in the back as well[biggrin]

Then we moved onto Holden panel vans with the 253,geez they used some fuel,particularly the later ones,HX and HZ,when the pollution stuff appeared on them.

Back on topic,didn't that starfire engine also appear in a dunny dore model,or was it another 4cyl?

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I didn't mind the 173

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I thought they were square bores and favored for that reason in speedway etc?

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That was the LX Torana withe the (h)OPEL(ess) 1900. The starfire/misfire 4 was a 2850 (173) 6 cyl. with pots 2 and 5 removed. Tough motor but the rest of the car ????. Took them while to learn with OPEL too, the rebodied Camira called the Calibra, plus other ill thought out ventures like the SB Barina, the TR Astra and the JR Vectra. Now I'm getting flashbacks of that other pearl of Holden wisdom, the Suburban. That thing was 5 years old in the states when it was new here. How was that ever going to work ?.

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I owned the old LX at one point. Called the Sunbird if i remember correctly. Well the one i owned was called that. Old 4 cylinder opal piece of crap lol.
My intent back in my youth was to put a small block 350 in it lol.
Never come to fruition sadly. Mum sold the damn car on me!!!!!
So i spent my apprenticeship money on dope instead of that car :)

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I thought they were square bores and favored for that reason in speedway etc?

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did not think any of the 6 cyl motors were square.