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    Rules and Locks work only for honest people. Protecting Women,Children and Men

    Putting this in General chat, as a dad I think its important and ask if possible not making this more political with the hope our cool Mods might leave it here for all to see and consider. Thanks Feel free to share it with your local news sources

    Doctors can help during times of acute stress using Mental Health care plans to help enable people in need of physiological assistance with medicare funding for 6 visits to a psychologist.
    Mental health care plan | healthdirect


    During relationship breakdowns some men and women under significant stress make very poor to appallingly bad choices. Men seldom seek help for mental health issues voluntarily. Police must have the requirement to force men in situations they may harm or present a real risk to their current or former partner or children to have appropriate psychological care or legal restraint if they refuse.


    The power to compel men in stressful situation that they are clearly not dealing with appropriately, to have appropriate physiological assessment, treatment and restrained if refusal to have help to avoid them harming children, women and themselves during the entire period of the issue not limited to 6 sessions!


    Rowan Baxter, the former Australian pro rugby player who burned his wife and three kids to death, was a dangerously possessive misogynist” Hannah Clarke, 31, Lainah, six, Aaliyah, 4 four and Trey, three and the murder needed help. Again and again Police do as much as they are allowed to help stop violence yet we see children thrown of bridges and burnt to death. Fixing this issue will save lives! Not just the headlines or the many silent horrors which we do not see or hear about.



    Please ask or demand our politicians require police to and provide funding for psychological assessment and treatment in all cases there is a known risk of self harm or Domestic Violence.


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    The police can't possibly oversee all the nutters who should be watched. As with those on terrorist watch lists the huge numbers of madmen who may attack their wives and kids is huge.
    Cops will do what they can but they are not supermen/women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATH View Post
    The police can't possibly oversee all the nutters who should be watched. As with those on terrorist watch lists the huge numbers of madmen who may attack their wives and kids is huge.
    Cops will do what they can but they are not supermen/women.
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    Fully agree. Police can and do take people with major mental health issues to mental health facilities. They do not have any funded support to help with appropriate psychological support for the people they suspect might loose the plot during times of extreme stress some (not all) suffer or inflict on them selves during relationship breakdowns. Police deal mostly with after effects of crimes. It impacts on them as well.

    I do not think nor does any evidence show all men kill or harm our kids and partners. The few that do are not stopped by a DVO. Many suicides are preventable if psychological support was a tool the police have which they do not at the moment.

    Funded appropriate psychological support where police think it is needed is a tool to help not harm.

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    "It impacts on them as well" Yes it's not a job I could or would do. The sheer horror of what people can do to each other plus all the other **** they have to deal with would be too much for me.
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    Promising results- Chat with your Doctor perhap?

    "ReINVEST, a world-first clinical trial aiming to answer a curious question: Can taking a common antidepressant help stop highly impulsive men with histories of using violence from reoffending?

    The trial, being run by the Kirby Institute at the University of New South Wales, is based on a well-established link between poor impulse control and aggressive behaviour, including violent offending. Because there's also a link between impulsivity and reduced levels of the neurotransmitter serotonin, the idea is that regulating serotonin with sertraline, an antidepressant, may reduce participants' impulsivity and aggression."

    I think its brand name is very common and any doctor could possibly help with this treatment!

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...ssant/12988544

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    Just what we need More "Nanny" state rules instead of people simply taking "ownership' of their own problems
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    There needs to be a mechanism to give police to compel (at least) psychiatric assessment across a broader range of situations. Anyone who has dealt with a recalcitrant dementia patient knows well the frustration of not having any means to control their behavior. Without a power of attorney you cannot compel someone who is likely to harm themselves or others to stop their dangerous behaviour unless they are caught doing something illegal at the appropriate moment. Yet as a society we are happy to trumpet the locking up or exclusion from their home people whose crime was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time or to not wear a face mask, an interesting conundrum in the interests of "public safety"
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    Just don't hit or hurt women!
    It's simple & not even difficult.
    To my mind only a coward would hurt a women.
    These blokes think they are tough, I think it's one of the weakest things you could do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesfam View Post
    Just don't hit or hurt women!
    It's simple & not even difficult.
    Yes...correct.....but don't forget that a significant percentage of Domestic Violence incidents - some 20% to 30% from memory - are committed by women on men with most men not fighting back. Neither will the men voluntarily report this for fear of not being believed and/or of being denigrated.

    Governments are well aware of this but are so wary of the WEL - Womens Electoral Lobby - aka their voting power that they will not address the issue of women assaulting men in a domestic situation..

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    "These blokes think they are tough,"
    I don't think you can say that applies in all cases. I had a very good friend years ago and we drank together, worked together and sometimes got into trouble together. I didn't realise he stored every little thing he thought was wrong and against him (think about girls swapping from one young bloke to his mate etc....happens lots of times) but Ted held all this and other minor things to be deeply personal.
    Anyway, long story cut short, we lost contact way before the internet when I came out to Oz but saw him briefly when I returned 5 years later. Just a glimpse of him walking home through some typical Brit winter weather as I drove past and thought about turning round and giving him a lift to where ever, but traffic probs. stopped that and I forgot about him.
    Until the next day when I found out that all the cops vehicles racing up the same road I'd seen Ted walking up were going to his house.
    Ted had attacked his son that night and badly injured the little kid the cut his wifes throat with a hacksaw from his boys carpentry set! Then as calm as walked next door and asked his mate there to call the cops as he'd topped the Mrs. Bloke reckoned at first Ted was joking.... then seeing he was covered in blood slammed the door and called the cops.
    Ted got Broadmoor mental hospital detention for the rest of his life.
    Apparently this started when we were both about 15 and wanted to apply for entrance to the RN through an officer cadet program. His parents wouldn't allow him to go and this set off his mental deterioration.
    Things got worse and he never spoke to me or anyone else about his very deep depression.
    I still sometimes think what might have happened if I'd stopped that day and given him a lift home.....
    I agree many of these "toughs" bashing wives and kids are just absolute bastards, but you can't say that about all, you never know what's going on between some peoples ears.
    AlanH

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