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    I'm no expert, but from what I read large sums have been paid for overland flows across properties. However, overland flows only happen when it rains, so obviously when there is a drought there are no overland flows. So large sums have been paid for water which does not actually exist, but is just a notional calculation. Some property owners have done very well out of what appears to be a waste of taxpayers money, since no extra actual water reached the rivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    I'm no expert, but from what I read large sums have been paid for overland flows across properties. However, overland flows only happen when it rains, so obviously when there is a drought there are no overland flows. So large sums have been paid for water which does not actually exist, but is just a notional calculation. Some property owners have done very well out of what appears to be a waste of taxpayers money, since no extra actual water reached the rivers.
    Its not paying for the water, its paying for the right to harvest the water when it does rain. It is still an entitlement granted by the Government previously which businesses have been built on so if the Government wants to stop it happening they need to pay compensation.
    Does anyone have any information on how floodplain harvesting works in Queensland? There is a significant part of the basin that is in Qld and nearly all flows would be flood driven.
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    I found this document on the BOM site, it lists the controls on harvesting "overland flows" in the different states. http://www.bom.gov.au/water/nwa/2016...arversting.pdf There is quite a bit of variance on the controls between jurisdictions.


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    I know a family who have many thousands of hectares down on the NSW-Qld. border. Their great grandfather took up a free selection block in the late 19th. century and they are still on this original block plus all the others they have acquired since. The current patriarch has very fixed ideas on water rights and licences. He says that any rain that falls on his property is his and he can do what he wants with it. He also has a firm belief that any water in streams, creeks, rivers that run through or alongside his property contains water that he owns or should get a share of and anyone (and any bureaucrats) downstream can **** off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tote View Post
    Its not paying for the water, its paying for the right to harvest the water when it does rain. It is still an entitlement granted by the Government previously which businesses have been built on so if the Government wants to stop it happening they need to pay compensation.
    Does anyone have any information on how floodplain harvesting works in Queensland? There is a significant part of the basin that is in Qld and nearly all flows would be flood driven.
    Catchments | Murray-Darling Basin Authority

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    Queensland uses the term 'overland flow'. Overland flow is water that runs across the land after rainfall, either before it enters a watercourse, after it leaves a watercourse as floodwater, or after it rises to the surface naturally from underground. Most water in rivers and underground reserves originates as overland flow. If too much water is intercepted before it reaches a watercourse, or if too much floodwater is intercepted before it returns to a watercourse, there can be serious implications for:
    •towns, industries and farms that rely on watercourses for water supplies
    •landholders who rely on beneficial flooding
    •the maintenance of healthy waterways
    • groundwater recharge
    • ecosystems relying on periodic inundation .

    A person may harvest overland flow for any purpose unless there is a moratorium notice, a WRP or wild river declaration that limits or alters the water that may be harvested. Rules in WRPs established under the Queensland Water Act 2000 regulate the building of works that harvest overland flow either actively or passively. Works that harvest overland flow actively include:
    • pumps, storages, sumps, drains and pipes used to harvest and store it
    • any storage connected to another one used to harvest it, and the connecting infrastructure
    • structures used to hold it for ponded pastures.
    Works that harvest overland flow passively include:
    • levees or diversion banks used to direct it into dams or to slow it down to increase the amount harvested. This does not include works used in soil conservation. WRPs do not regulate works that interfere with, but were not built specifically to harvest overland flow; however, local planning laws may still regulate the building of these structures, which include:
    • contour banks
    • fences
    • roads.
    Where the construction of overland flow works is regulated, the development may be either assessable or self-assessable development under the Queensland Sustainable Planning Act 2009.Currently, the harvesting of overland flow is regulated in the following water resource plan areas:
    • Border Rivers
    • Condamine and Balonne
    • Moonie
    • Warrego, Paroo and Nebine.
    In all of these areas, the harvesting of overland flow requires:
    • no increase in overland flow take permitted for purposes other than listed in the WRP in these plan areas
    • no increase in overland flow take permitted for irrigation purposes
    • an authorisation to harvest overland flow for purposes other than stock and domestic
    • a development permit under the Queensland Sustainable Planning Act2009 for most works for harvesting overland flow
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    It's over here, in Perth, falling out of the sky.

    I don't know whether your rig is a Pantech or flat top but if it is a Pantech why not cut open the roof & collect the water?


    If a flat top & Curtain Sides forget it, it's gone already.

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