Science

There is nothing wrong with differences of opinion. Makes the world go around. There are very, very many scientists and highly qualified medical professionals, and quite a large body of evidence to suggest that stevo may have a point. Ad hominum attacks such as the "tinfoil hat" one demean the attacker, not stevo. Defend your position, by all means, but do it with debate, not insult.

To answer the OP question. I am 70 years old, not particularly fit, and a recovering alcoholic. I am not vaccinated. My health is just fine thanks. I may or may not have had this virus, but I refuse to add to the statistics by getting tested.

BTW, Mike, I have a caterer's size roll of shiny stuff here. I use it for cooking, not wearing.

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Originally Posted by 4bee

When your number's up it's up.

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Gotta ask, Des. If you believe the above, why have the jab? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Tins

Gotta ask, Des. If you believe the above, why have the jab? Just curious.

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Not going to get into WW3 with this topic, others seem to be handling that just dandy.


Why not, I've paid for the bloody things & more?[bighmmm]

Let's say if it prolongs my life, (as crap as it seems some days, but not as crap as yours a couple of years ago) & nobody is going to miss the Pearly Gates unless one is in a Series 1, 2 or 3 with wonky steering.

It is a personal choice at the end of the day but one may not have any control over that.


Just sayin'.
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Originally Posted by stevo3400

Seeing my friends die is why. At 50 years is it normal to lose 5 close friends in the last year is why I wrote what I wrote.

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NO it certainly is not normal imho, but there can be other causes ie. Smoking, Booze, Accidents, Illness, Physical, Hereditary crap, etc


I was led to believe (right or wrongly) that entering that age group can be a bit risky as things catch up with you.

Dunno.


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Originally Posted by 4bee

Not going to get into WW3 with this topic,

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Me neither. Been there, done that, got the infraction to prove it[bigsad][bigrolf]

Like I said, curious.

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Originally Posted by Tins

Me neither. Been there, done that, got the infraction to prove it[bigsad][bigrolf]

Like I said, curious.

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And you remember what curiosity did? Summat about Moggies.[biggrin]

Hey, I have one of those & my only one in all these years. Bloody Virgo me.

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Originally Posted by 4bee

And you remember what curiosity did? Summat about Moggies.[biggrin]

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Not sure, but I may have one or two of my nine lives left.

Many years ago I remember talking to my father as a few of his friends had died in their late forties. He had mentioned this to his doctor when asking for a full heath check up. Was told that for men there is a sizable bulge in the death rates at that age. Then again in the 2 years after they retire

Have lost 2 friends my age in last 12 months. One cancer the other a brain tumor. It is sad but happens. On a positive am here to talk about it so am fairly sure it was not me. Tomorrow who knows…….

Death comes in many forms, and at any time.

My brother died in 1950, three years before I was born. He had one of the nastier forms of leukaemia, but any form of that disease in those days was a death sentence. He was 9. My sister, one of three, died in 2014. She got a cancer that was even uglier than it's name, glioblastoma multiforme IV, a particularly aggressive form of brain tumour. She was 67. My lovely wife, Jan, died in 2018 of liver cancer. She was 69.
I was discussing mortality with my GP, who had had a heart scare himself. He described all three of those deaths, cancers all of them, as "lightning", in that you do not know when they might strike. His point was that I cannot predict my lifespan by them, any more than I can judge it by the fact that my mother died in 2021, a few months shy of her 103rd birthday. The topic arose as I was concerned about my then very excessive alcohol consumption. He pointed out that the liver is a tough organ, and my genetics could be in my favour, provided I gave the stuff up. I did, but for other reasons, later.

The issue stevo raises though, is a little different. There are many studies now into what is being called "excessive deaths", mostly arising out of the increase in cases of sudden onset of myocarditis. Some believe this is connected with the vaccine people were forced to take. Time and research will tell. A lot of this research is being done in countries unaffected by "lobbies to Congress".

I don't pretend to be an epidemiologist, a virologist or an immunologist. I am, however, quite good at reading. One of the things I have read, from many different and quite knowledgable sources, is that the jury is very much still out on what long term effects the rushed vaccines* might have. And by learned sources, I am not referring to tweets from the 45th POTUS**, or anyone else.

*I know some will argue this. Good. But ask yourself this. Why did the pharma companies demand 75 years of indemnity from prosecution if their products efficacy and safety were so well known?

**Like it or not, Donald Trump is very much on track to regaining the White House in 12 months.

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Originally Posted by Tins

Death comes in many forms, and at any time.

My brother died in 1950, three years before I was born. He had one of the nastier forms of leukaemia, but any form of that disease in those days was a death sentence. He was 9. My sister, one of three, died in 2014. She got a cancer that was even uglier than it's name, glioblastoma multiforme IV, a particularly aggressive form of brain tumour. She was 67. My lovely wife, Jan, died in 2018 of liver cancer. She was 69.
I was discussing mortality with my GP, who had had a heart scare himself. He described all three of those deaths, cancers all of them, as "lightning", in that you do not know when they might strike. His point was that I cannot predict my lifespan by them, any more than I can judge it by the fact that my mother died in 2021, a few months shy of her 103rd birthday. The topic arose as I was concerned about my then very excessive alcohol consumption. He pointed out that the liver is a tough organ, and my genetics could be in my favour, provided I gave the stuff up. I did, but for other reasons, later.

The issue stevo raises though, is a little different. There are many studies now into what is being called "excessive deaths", mostly arising out of the increase in cases of sudden onset of myocarditis. Some believe this is connected with the vaccine people were forced to take. Time and research will tell. A lot of this research is being done in countries unaffected by "lobbies to Congress".

I don't pretend to be an epidemiologist, a virologist or an immunologist. I am, however, quite good at reading. One of the things I have read, from many different and quite knowledgable sources, is that the jury is very much still out on what long term effects the rushed vaccines* might have. And by learned sources, I am not referring to tweets from the 45th POTUS**, or anyone else.

*I know some will argue this. Good. But ask yourself this. Why did the pharma companies demand 75 years of indemnity from prosecution if their products efficacy and safety were so well known?

**Like it or not, Donald Trump is very much on track to regaining the White House in 12 months.

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My GOD I hope not!

But as someone raised the point "America with it's millions of educated beings why are these two the best that they can come up with?..


I also would like to know why.

BTW. My dear Dad passed away at age 49 with..............Cancer

I often wondered whether the fact that he was a Tally Clerk on the Port Adelaide wharves during Atomic Trials Testing in SA put him in contact with Radioactive Stuff being shipped back to the UK had something to do with it I guess I will never know