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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    Been doing a bit of searching, and found some interesting stuff [ technical word ] The Indonesian submarine had been upgraded in South Korea, to be able to fire 4 torpedos at once. The torpedo they were firing was the German AEG SUT 264, a wire guided torpedo produced by Atlas Elektronik entering service in 1967. Taiwan purchased the same torpedo, and a war shot SUT fired during a training exercise from a Hai-Lung class submarine in 2003 broke it's control wires and went out of control. Here is the Indonesian Submarine's service history, or some, at least.

    KRI Nanggala participated in readiness and training exercises in 2002 & 2015, and participated in an Indian Ocean exercise in 2004, where it sank a decommissioned ship. In 2012 she participated in an exercise with USS OKlahoma City. The Submarine conducted a number of intelligence gathering operations around Indonesia, one in the Indian Ocean in 1992, and East Timor, 1999, tracking the movements of International Force East Timor as it landed in the region. In 2005 the submarine was tasked with scouting, infiltrating, and hunting down strategic targets around Ambalat , after an Indonesian and a Malaysian ship were involved in a collision .

    She did a two year refit in South Korea, 2010. The refit replaced much of the most of the upper structure, and upgraded its weaponry, sonar, radar, combat control and propulsion system. After the refit the submarine was capable of firing 4 torpedos at 4 different targets simultaneously and launching Exocet and Harpoon. It's safe diving depth was increased to 257 metres, and top speed increased to 25 knots.

    Looking at it's intelligence gathering operations and modernisation, it's safe to assume only the best Captain and crew would be posted to the submarine. And it was arguably one of the best submarines in the S E Asian area. Which makes it even more of a mystery .

    My immediate reaction to "four at once" comment made me wonder if that is what they were testing & the whole shebang went up together plus the Exocet & Harpoon in sympathy. Remember, she is in 3 sections. Were the 4 tubes in the bow section or were there some elsewhere in it's hull ie.Beam Tubes(it has been done on other boats) but then I have been accused of posting some way out theories recently.

    Now someone please tell me it is impossible, if you can?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4bee View Post
    My immediate reaction to "four at once" comment made me wonder if that is what they were testing & the whole shebang went up together plus the Exocet & Harpoon in sympathy. Remember, she is in 3 sections. Were the 4 tubes in the bow section or were there some elsewhere in it's hull (it has been done on other boats) but then I have been accused of posting some way out theories recently.

    Now someone please tell me it is impossible, if you can?
    We probably will never know , Des. But the story of USS Scorpion, SSN 589, is chillingly similar. Lost while on the way home from the Med., with 99 souls, in 1968. Scorpion was found by Bob Ballard of Titanic fame. She was mostly intact on the Ocean floor, but in pieces similar to the Indonesian sub. Now I don't know if you remember USS Thresher, which went down during trials. After passing her crush depth, she disintegrated into pieces all over the ocean floor. To investigators looking at Scorpion, this indicated Scorpion had flooded before reaching crush depth. The Scorpion story is here;

    USS Scorpion Submarine Disaster - Engineering Channel (engineering-channel.com)
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Project Azorian

    I worked with a former CIA gook that had been an engineer on this project. I lot of the technology developed for this was later used in offshore oil drilling ships. One of the main things to come out of it was the dynamic positioning systems used for deep water operations.

    Project Azorian - Wikipedia

    Soviet submarine K-129 (1960)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Farang View Post
    Project Azorian

    I worked with a former CIA gook that had been an engineer on this project. I lot of the technology developed for this was later used in offshore oil drilling ships. One of the main things to come out of it was the dynamic positioning systems used for deep water operations.

    Project Azorian - Wikipedia

    Soviet submarine K-129 (1960)
    The cover story for the Glomar Explorer was she was mining iron nodules from the sea floor, from memory. In this video from 2015, John Evans discusses his experience working on the Glomar Explorer. Interesting to note he mentioned the secret taping of foreign shipping engine and propeller noises to create a data bank for USN ships to identify the ships when needed. The RAN O-Boats did some of this for the USN/ CIA.

    Hughes Glomar Explorer (CIA Spy Ship) - YouTube
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    The cover story for the Glomar Explorer was she was mining iron nodules from the sea floor, from memory. In this video from 2015, John Evans discusses his experience working on the Glomar Explorer. Interesting to note he mentioned the secret taping of foreign shipping engine and propeller noises to create a data bank for USN ships to identify the ships when needed. The RAN O-Boats did some of this for the USN/ CIA.

    Hughes Glomar Explorer (CIA Spy Ship) - YouTube


    I knew I had seen this waaaaay back but it does pertain to Australian Subs.




    The article i had read then also included info on the Sub being used for SAS/Commnado Training as did a building existing there for indoor training set up as a real life location It indicated it was all very hush hush with a bridge being the only connection with the Mainland. Sounded like a very "M" /Bond type of Training area.

    Vic folk may be well aware of this place. Maybe it doesn't exist any more & is now somewhere else? Maybe a figment of my imagination? Naaah wouldn't be that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4bee View Post
    I knew I had seen this waaaaay back but it does pertain to Australian Subs.




    The article i had read then also included info on the Sub being used for SAS/Commnado Training as did a building existing there for indoor training set up as a real life location It indicated it was all very hush hush with a bridge being the only connection with the Mainland. Sounded like a very "M" /Bond type of Training area.

    Vic folk may be well aware of this place. Maybe it doesn't exist any more & is now somewhere else? Maybe a figment of my imagination? Naaah wouldn't be that.

    HMAS J3 | Royal Australian Navy
    You may be interested in this;

    The O-Boat Mystery Boats – The Naval Officers Club of Australia
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    Bob that site is blocking me out.

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    Is ok now for some reason. WTF! What a bloody good read, dips lid & thanks to O Boat Crews.

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    A lot of people knock the Collins class, but they among the best now.

    Australian Sub defeats US Navy in exercise - Bing video
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    And the story of finding the AE1, our first submarine, lost during WW1, up North.

    Finding the men of AE1 - YouTube
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    This news article makes interesting reading NoCookies | The Australian

    It is backed up with an audio interview with Kim Pitt by the AWM - I did come across it a while back but cannot find it now but it is basically the same as in the news article - covering the meeting with Bob Hawke and other very interesting stuff.
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