Just how much better is a Landy than a Toyota Troopy?

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Originally Posted by rovercare

CraigE no offence but you say some silly stuff mate, Troopy's have live axle coil front NOT independant, "easy to roll" yea if your a moron and don't drive accordingly

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Rovacare,
I never mentioned anything about live or independent suspension, as far as I was aware the new troopy has front coil and rear leaf (has been about 3 years since I tested a new one) so do not get personal and call me silly. Read the right post and get the facts right first. It was another post that mentioned independant suspension, not mine.All of ours and most around here are leaf sprung and granted most are over 4 years old. Both coils and leaf can be live axles. Independent like on the 100series higher spec models is something I would stay away from for regular off road use.I have driven these things extensively in the mining industry and in my opinion only they are buckets of crap. Even compared to a Defeneder. I find the Defender a lot more stable on the road and even considered a troopy before buying the fender until I test drove a newbie and found the centre of gravity woeful for a new 4x4. The utes are slightly better than the troopy but not by much. I can tell you this from experience first hand seeing them regularly rolled around the gold fields of WA. Seldom see 100series or Nissans rolled, though any car can roll. And yes there are larger numbers of these vehicles in the mining industry, but still a disproportionate number of roll overs. I just do not think they handle that well. I have never rolled one because I have grown up driving these type of vehicles and am more than aware of their high centre of gravity. There are a lot of people that are not though and it can be a trap.
If you really want to come on the forum and start making statements about peoples personal opinions then you do not belong here. Good discussion yes, attacks on people character no.
I am not the one who is silly.
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Originally Posted by rovercare
That would be one of the sillier things i've read in a while Deejay, the fact is, capacity and economy is a balance, to small you'll labour and suck juice, to big and your feeding a large motor for nothing unless you adjust your gearing etc. A 4.2 is still small and no rocket and also a fuel guzzler, but still a much better motor than a 3.5 (like that's hard) and its always nice to have a few horsies to spare, My 5l EFI windsor i had in my rangie 3speed auto 35's used less fuel than a mates 3.9l disco with 33's and a 4 speed transmission with power to spare over the 3.9.

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Craig E.
Dont be too offended he said the same in a reply to me.
Cheers,
David

I have not driven a Toyota troppie , but was told by Alice springs Polcie who have a 130 on their fleet. That the 130 was loads more comfortable to drive than the troppie.
As a Defender driver i found this amazing, as even though i love the defender , i have to say its not the most comfy truck in the world.
so from that the toyota must be really really bad

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Originally Posted by Reads90

I have not driven a Toyota troppie , but was told by Alice springs Polcie who have a 130 on their fleet. That the 130 was loads more comfortable to drive than the troppie.
As a Defender driver i found this amazing, as even though i love the defender , i have to say its not the most comfy truck in the world.
so from that the toyota must be really really bad

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I recall the motoring press bagging the 130 but then were advised by Rover to put in half a ton or so. The press then said it transformed the ride.:angel:

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Originally Posted by DeeJay

I recall the motoring press bagging the 130 but then were advised by Rover to put in half a ton or so. The press then said it transformed the ride.:angel:

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I knew there was a good reason why I carry a spare axle in the back.

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Cheers
Simon

I have driven numerous troopies in the ADF and all have been dissapointing. Ride is not as it should be, power is only good in low range, seating is only comfortable in the latest models and they are failing faster. We are trying to get F trucks to replace ours as they can't cope with towing a 2.5 ton boat and trailer. They are also dangerous when towing, with the **** sagging and realy light steering, we only put two guys and a limited amount of gear in them. We cant's pass other vehicles safely on the highway as there isn't the power to acellerate and fit into gaps. Loaded trucks overtake us up-hill!
Telstra is moving to Landrovers and Patrols for it's remote service vehicles, the 'cruisers can't hack it.
Toyota has been charging too much for too little for too long.

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Originally Posted by damo

Telstra is moving to Landrovers and Patrols for it's remote service vehicles, the 'cruisers can't hack it.

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Interesting. What can't the LandCruisers hack? Can this be substantiated easily? Apart from word-of-mouth, is there any documented way you know of to prove this? Even though I'd love to see Telstra running around in Defenders, I just can't see how Toyota could sit there and let it happen as they have so much sway in government circles, or so I've heard.

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Originally Posted by CraigE

Rovacare,
I never mentioned anything about live or independent suspension, as far as I was aware the new troopy has front coil and rear leaf (has been about 3 years since I tested a new one) so do not get personal and call me silly. Read the right post and get the facts right first. It was another post that mentioned independant suspension, not mine.All of ours and most around here are leaf sprung and granted most are over 4 years old. Both coils and leaf can be live axles. Independent like on the 100series higher spec models is something I would stay away from for regular off road use.I have driven these things extensively in the mining industry and in my opinion only they are buckets of crap. Even compared to a Defeneder. I find the Defender a lot more stable on the road and even considered a troopy before buying the fender until I test drove a newbie and found the centre of gravity woeful for a new 4x4. The utes are slightly better than the troopy but not by much. I can tell you this from experience first hand seeing them regularly rolled around the gold fields of WA. Seldom see 100series or Nissans rolled, though any car can roll. And yes there are larger numbers of these vehicles in the mining industry, but still a disproportionate number of roll overs. I just do not think they handle that well. I have never rolled one because I have grown up driving these type of vehicles and am more than aware of their high centre of gravity. There are a lot of people that are not though and it can be a trap.
If you really want to come on the forum and start making statements about peoples personal opinions then you do not belong here. Good discussion yes, attacks on people character no.
I am not the one who is silly.
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Oh no, here we go again!:(

Ok, ok, I'll put my hand up, I'm the silly one!! It says so on the Jacket I got from Ace.:D (hang on, it hasnt turned up yet.):mad: :D :D

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

Interesting. What can't the LandCruisers hack? Can this be substantiated easily? Apart from word-of-mouth, is there any documented way you know of to prove this? Even though I'd love to see Telstra running around in Defenders, I just can't see how Toyota could sit there and let it happen as they have so much sway in government circles, or so I've heard.

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Landcruisers can no longer 'Hack' the tasks they have become legendary for.
They cannot regularily carry or tow heavy weights that are within factory limits. They have warranty caveats on drive train components. They have lost off road ability in favour of unitary construction methods, are now manufatured to cost as opposed to role, and are still damn expensive.

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Originally Posted by damo

Landcruisers can no longer 'Hack' the tasks they have become legendary for.
They cannot regularily carry or tow heavy weights that are within factory limits. They have warranty caveats on drive train components. They have lost off road ability in favour of unitary construction methods, are now manufatured to cost as opposed to role, and are still damn expensive.

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Yeah - I get all that, apart from unitary construction - which I didn't think had become part of the 75-series construction methods yet. Are you saying that Telstra is replacing 100-series machines, and not 75-series?

I was up in Lightning Ridge a few months ago, and came across a Telstra worker who had bogged their 75-series off the side of the road. I stopped and offered to help, to which he said a very big "thank you" as he had been shovelling for nearly an hour. I noticed that he had a 9000lb winch on the front and I asked him why he didn't use if to pull himself out earlier. There were plenty of trees near the side of the road to pull from too. His answer was that even though they had recovery gear on board (winch, snatch straps, etc, etc) they were NOT allowed to use any of it due to ridiculous OHS laws. His words, not mine.

He was glad a fully-equipped Land Rover came past that afternoon I'll bet.:)

Given that, are Telstra looking at updating 100-series vehicles to something more capable off the shelf - like a Defender? I suppose that if they had more capable vehicles to begin with, they could avoid more recovery procedures? Nice thought anyway....