Thread: Just how much better is a Landy than a Toyota Troopy?

Telstra hvae defenders up noprth and I have been seeing patrols in NSW. The 75 series is now as out of date as people say a defender is, what's more it's only in the past few years that the 75's have got coils. They all still use the opriginal 5 spd box which is crapping out with such regularity, it's now almost impossible to find a second-hand box for sale. Conisder that with the IFS being the only real mech difference between a 75 and 100, we have a 100 series at the unit with 12000km on the clock and a stuffed gearbox. The carrying capacity on the tray backs is also the lowest of the Cruiser, Patrol and Defender.

Toyota sell more vehicles because of a better dealer support network, good advertising (both overt and subliminal) and a well developed system of kick-backs to fleet operators.

Btw wtf are we discussing this for anyway!! Doesn't emotional loyalty count for anything. Landrovers are the best becuase they just are!

Originally Posted by crump

Oh no, here we go again!

Ok, ok, I'll put my hand up, I'm the silly one!!

Crump I would not say you are silly. I do not like personal inferences on any one for just having an opinion. Your opinion is yours and mine mine, does not make either one of us wrong or silly.
Part of the packaging of owning a Landie is the free dose of Alzheimers that comes in the console. Good excuse for denying all knowledge of past events.

The main reason most big companies deal with Toyota is for the dealer network, ease of part availability, propoganda and great fleet prices. We have just purchased 2 x new Prados, fully kitted for $42k, try and compete with that. The price even amazed me. Could have got the 100 series for $46k but nobody likes them and the Prado had a lot extra and realistically not see much off road work anyway, just hauling rescue gear. New Troopy Ambo $70k fully fitted out. My vote was for the F truck but at $50k more not an option.

Originally Posted by damo

Telstra is moving to Landrovers and Patrols for it's remote service vehicles, the 'cruisers can't hack it.
Toyota has been charging too much for too little for too long.

It seems to be the same over here in the West. Most Telstra vehicles are now Nissan Patrols in both ute and wagon configuration. I can not remember the last time I saw a Telstra Toyota. It seems Western Power etc is moving down the same path as well.
At the end of the day Toyotas are reasonable 4x4s, just not my taste or handling. They are most definately overpriced for private consumers, but hey so is the Disco now as well. Most 100 series owners I know are disappointed in their vehicles and would not buy another.
The Defender is the only vehicle I have owned where people stop you and ask you what they are like and to have a look. Most people comment on the shape and style and would have one if they were a bit better appointed inside. And this quite often comes from top of the line cruiser and patrol owners. The shape of the Fender is iconic and lots of people love the shape. Now if LR actually listened to what people wanted and had some decent propoganda, er I mean PR, there would be lots more Fenders on the road.

i wouldnt say iconic......

put simply.....land rover got it right the first time.....and stuck with it....
all the others are still trying to get it right.....you can always tell cos they keep changing every year......

DZ: I reckon they ARE iconic! They are what leverages the rest of the LR range.

If they made them more comfortable and a teensy bit more reliable they would sell more. A lot more.

Everyone is right about the iconic look of ther Defender. Many people I nknow would like a Landrover but the old hoodoo of perceived unreliability scares them off. Toymotor, as has been said before, was simply better marketed and supported in the bush, where the client base is.
This failure to market is still evident now. Landrover's marketing material is superb. Think of the impact of the new freelander promo on a cinema screen... you'd want to leave the movie and buy one straight away.
Why make a superb magazine promoting Landrovers to people who have already bought one? Get that sort of marketing out to Toymotor owners, show them how much they are missing out on. Why try to temp a Subaru, or X5 owner away with adventure when a high end 100 or Prado series costs the same. If you own an X5, you are just into the badge and not drawn by adventure.
I want the marketing job at LRA, they are screwing that puppy way too hard.

Have to agree with the toyota fleet pricing. I know If I wen't new Toyota gives us the best lease discounts.