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    HMS Glorious, Ardent & Acasta

    Still shrouded in secrecy, lost reports and lies after more than eighty years, courageous and determined sailors are denied their due recognition and respect.
    No doubt this article will interest Bob, Des, James and a few more.

    — HMS Glorious – The cover up of Churchill’s Operation Paul
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    Arrogant old men? The Captains and crew of the two destroyers knew they had speed to get away. They knew there guns had 1/2 the range and were almost unable to injure the two battle cruisers- Brave Men plus. RIP

    The other crusty old men who ignored the intelligence data were also guilty in my view. Took 78 year to get a Victoria Cross for Teddy Sheean. The facts of his bravery were well known from the moment of his death.

    We had the decency to name a ship after him

    HMAS Sheean is a much brighter outcome


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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    Still shrouded in secrecy, lost reports and lies after more than eighty years, courageous and determined sailors are denied their due recognition and respect.
    No doubt this article will interest Bob, Des, James and a few more.

    — HMS Glorious – The cover up of Churchill’s Operation Paul


    Thank you Ian, a most interesting read, but it hit me that Bo-Jo's handling of the Covid-19 situation was a re-run of this operation but without ships & on dry land.


    The similarities are really amazing, ie, left hand v right hand, Lack of communication & supplies/equipment & more but these were the points that struck me.


    Have never read about the "Norwegian Campaign" until now. Of course I knew there was one, but certainly not the details so thanks again for opening my eyes. Well not so much you you understand, but the incompetent idiots/buffoons that made it possible.

    Sad that so many men were lost because of poor leadership, direction & egos.

    Can't help but wonder how many more fiascos are out there from all sources waiting to be told one day & not in a 100 years time.

    The relatives of all those men deserve to be told the truth, NOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyDiver View Post
    Arrogant old men? The Captains and crew of the two destroyers knew they had speed to get away. They knew there guns had 1/2 the range and were almost unable to injure the two battle cruisers- Brave Men plus. RIP

    The other crusty old men who ignored the intelligence data were also guilty in my view. Took 78 year to get a Victoria Cross for Teddy Sheean. The facts of his bravery were well known from the moment of his death.

    We had the decency to name a ship after him

    HMAS Sheean is a much brighter outcome

    Arrogant, egotistical and uncaring, but best left for a different sub-forum.
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    Happy to bring Teddy Front and Centre, as he should be, at any time Ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    Arrogant, egotistical and uncaring, but best left for a different sub-forum.

    To an extent one can possibly understand their thinking ie. The olde guys were WW1 leftovers who saw & thought things differently.

    Dardanelles/Gallipoli for an instance. A piece of **** they said, no sweat they said, & probably "No Worries" ,until it all went pear shaped & then the Blame Game started.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 4bee View Post
    To an extent one can possibly understand their thinking ie. The olde guys were WW1 leftovers who saw & thought things differently.

    Dardanelles/Gallipoli for an instance. A piece of **** they said, no sweat they said, & probably "No Worries" ,until it all went pear shaped & then the Blame Game started.


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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    A generous excuse indeed, Mr bee.



    No, I don't think that is it, Ian.. We weren't there &/or part of the decision making or had Winnie (AKA Bo JO) changing their minds & Britain had only exited from The Great War (who thought that one up, I thought all Wars of that magnitude were all "Great" ones but not great as in fabulous let's do it again Great.) so yes it may be "Generous" as you said. Or not.

    Different times, different solutions.


    From what I have read, Winnie himself looked forward to a bit of War on a Saturday Arvo with the lads. After Golf, of course.

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    Unfortunately the whole Dardanelles campaign was so badly executed, leadership and planning wise, that the US Marine Corps used it as the basis for what NOT to do, when sorting out their marine/amphibious (combined operations) doctrine in the 1920’s. I think I actually have the document saved somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cripesamighty View Post
    Unfortunately the whole Dardanelles campaign was so badly executed, leadership and planning wise, that the US Marine Corp used it as the basis for what NOT to do, when sorting out their marine/amphibious (combined operations) doctrine in the 1920’s. I think I actually have the document saved somewhere.

    The ANZACS went ashore in Oar powered wooden boats not armoured craft (ie, AMTRAKS/LVT etc with 50 Cals mounted) & that accounted for a heap of casualties from the off. They were towed to within a reasonable distance (?) from the beach & let go. From then on they were on their own. In the '20s they should have had much time to carry out Post Mortems of what went wrong.


    Bad preparation, wrong beaches & I suppose many other things that we may have never been privy to.

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