Vic Red Plate Scheme

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Elitism doesn't come into it at all - it's the difference between a flogged-out and uncared for Commodore that's next trip is to the crusher vs a cared-for VC SL/E or one of the Country pack models, or for that matter the old Hillmans I used to have.

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Talk about elitism..... Here's a graphic description of it right here. And if its my grandfather old battered 4cylinder missfire VB commodore that means a lot to ME (I really couldn't care less what YOU think) ... then I'm considered not worthy of keeping the car in your eyes? because it's not pretty and perfect ? (it wouldn't have been pretty and perfect when I was driven around in the back seat of it either).

Do you know what my favorite car is ??

http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/att...1&d=1308465179

there is different colour panels.... I pulled the roof off about 5years ago to do the roof lining .... and liked it like that so haven't bothered to put it back on .... Most of the panels have heavily perished original paint. I have no intension of ever painting it ... the door trims are held on with self tapping screws, most of the body rubbers are hard like glass.....

Its absolutely exactly what I want.... Do know how little I care what someone like you thinks. Yes I know, I don't deserve a club permit because its not a 1000point restoration. [bighmmm]


You just don't get it. What YOU think is worthy is so absolutely irrelevant, no-one should ever bother even listening.

And everyone wonders why all the car clubs are dying. I sure don't.

seeya
Shane L.

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Originally Posted by gromit

Not quite sure what you "don't buy".
Lots of additional vehicles were put onto the permit system before the change, most are not assembled/running so you wouldn't see them on the road, summer or winter.



I run a tatty Series III shorty that looks like it's just been dragged from a hedge......
If it's a clapped out Commodore they may just be a Commodore fan (they do exist I believe) so you can't judge purely on what the vehicle looks like.
I realise that some people see it as a way of having discount rego, they aren't interested in whether it's a classic or not. If they rort the system, which isn't well policed, then if/when they get caught for not filling in their logbook the fine is over $700 plus they cause the Club involved to potentially be investigated which may cause them more problems.


Colin

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OK .... So now, you are worried about cars that don't even drive ??? Who cares...... ?? 99.99% of old "restoration" cases will NEVER get finished and onto the roads. If you don't believe me, just think of every single car person you have ever met. How many projects do they have again? So you saying there is crazy people out there donating $80 a year to vicroads for no reason ?

I have a club permit car here that hasn't been driven in probably 20years. still registered .... Does that mean its dangerous and shouldn't be on the roads ? (its taken me about 7years to rebuild its gearbox). It been on about 4 different club permits over the last 20years. We consolidated our cars to our own small local car club about a decade ago. Come to think of it, the car has only probably done a handful of laps of the street I live in in the last 10years. Is this also what you would consider "NOT ALLOWED" because 'I've had it in pieces for so long ?

I really don't understand this "EVERYONE MUST DO WHAT I THINK THEY SHOULD DO" attitude.

Its the polices job to police.... If somoene has a dangerous car on a club permit ... it is the polices job to put that car off the road and charge the drivers. NOT YOURS.

seeya,
shane L.

I agree 100% you can't start imposing your own ideals of what is worthy and what isn't on a scheme like this - it doesn't matter how crappy a car looks - it could be an old beaten up VB dunny door - or a beaten up old Land Rover - why would there be any difference in who should be able to get club reg because of what one person thinks is 'more classic' - both may mean the world to the owners.

A more sensible approach would be tighter scrutiny of those vehicles that are on club reg to stop the rorting of the system - which no genuine member of the scheme wants to see - this is what is wrecking it for the vast majority who comply with all the regs, fill our log books out every time, keep the vehicles in good mechanical condition, etc.

Dictating who can use the scheme based on vehicle type or even external condition (needs to be road worthy) is NOT the way forward.

<<snip>> ... removed the quote as it looks like I'm "yelling" at specific members! <<snip>>

This assumes there is people rorting the scheme. I'm sure its possible, but I've never seen it. Why is everyone so concerned about something that is likely not happening. I remember this carry on about 10years ago with people raving and ranting they'd seem a club permit car driving around ... and they didn't think it should have been. HOW DARE ANYONE DRIVE THEIR CAR AROUND WITHOUT MY PERSONAL PERMISSION !!!! ..... It was amazing to see.

I don't understand why everyone thinks it is THEM that should be policing everyone else. The police did eventually pull the car over .... it was an unregistered car wearing a set of club plates they'd found/stolen. All that ranting and raving by club members insisting someone is doing something I THINK IS WRONG ..... :soapbox::soapbox::soapbox::soapbox:

And it was nothing to do with any club member or car club.

This is all so easy. It is the polices job to police. Club members ... just worry about yourself and make sure YOU are doing right. Don't worry about anyone else. Remember.... Its the polices job to police .... NOT YOURS.

I decided to give the car clubs the middle finger about 15years ago. Two days in a row I'd rushed home to grab the club permit car in my lunch hour. I'd driven it to an exhaust place one day .... then pirtek another day.

I had my father ring me two days later saying he'd been contacted by people at his work. They were going to "dob me in" and the car club I was a member of as I had been seen driving my car around town at lunchtime two days in a row. I **** you not, someone recognised me and contacted my father when he was at work to tell him they were contacting vicroads and the clubs about me.

You an imagine how blunt my response was. It is NOT YOUR JOB to try and police others. If the police had pulled me over, I would have said "its booked in to have exhaust work dont on it" .... they'd have said "no worries mate, off you go".

The best thing that ever happened was this logbook scheme. It took all the power out of the hands of the club people that thought is was their job to try and police and control everyone. The best thing we ever did was start our own car club and be done with the type of person that wanted "control" over poeple

seeya
Shane L.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

OK .... So now, you are worried about cars that don't even drive ??? Who cares...... ?? 99.99% of old "restoration" cases will NEVER get finished and onto the roads. If you don't believe me, just think of every single car person you have ever met. How many projects do they have again? So you saying there is crazy people out there donating $80 a year to vicroads for no reason ?

I have a club permit car here that hasn't been driven in probably 20years. still registered .... Does that mean its dangerous and shouldn't be on the roads ? (its taken me about 7years to rebuild its gearbox). It been on about 4 different club permits over the last 20years. We consolidated our cars to our own small local car club about a decade ago. Come to think of it, the car has only probably done a handful of laps of the street I live in in the last 10years. Is this also what you would consider "NOT ALLOWED" because 'I've had it in pieces for so long ?

I really don't understand this "EVERYONE MUST DO WHAT I THINK THEY SHOULD DO" attitude.

Its the polices job to police.... If somoene has a dangerous car on a club permit ... it is the polices job to put that car off the road and charge the drivers. NOT YOURS.

seeya,
shane L.

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WTF ?
I'm not worried about cars that don't get driven, not sure how you read that into my post ?

Colin

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Originally Posted by gromit

WTF ?
I'm not worried about cars that don't get driven, not sure how you read that into my post ?

Colin

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I probably quoted the wrong post [bigrolf] [bighmmm]

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Originally Posted by gromit

Just to pull this thread back to where it started....

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Quite right.

Just to pull this thread back to where it started....

Spoke with a mate in an AOMC affiliated Club and he is checking regarding the proposed changes.
He's heard of the change to 30 years for eligability but has seen nothing in writing.

Colin

Yeah - just heard back from our Club on this - nothing in writing from Vicroads regarding any changes in the pipeline - last time there were changes, they were well publicised to the clubs a long time in advance. Looks like it's all Chinese whispers at the moment - could well be on the cards, but not any time in the near future.

Maybe if you have a car that's 25 to 28 years old you've been thinking about putting on club reg, now would be a good time. :)

If you were waiting for a vehicle to tick over to 25 years, cross your fingers things don't change before that happens.

Or to be safe, just buy older vehicles that will be eligible either way. [thumbsupbig]

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Originally Posted by gromit

Just to pull this thread back to where it started....

Spoke with a mate in an AOMC affiliated Club and he is checking regarding the proposed changes.
He's heard of the change to 30 years for eligability but has seen nothing in writing.

Colin

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I think there is some quite decent people running this scheme. This will take 5years for them to get through. Then we are talking cars from 2000 not being eligible ... but cars from 1995 still being allowed.

The more cars I see on the road ... the more I'm blown away by the incredible success of the club permit scheme. Come spring, cars of every type and description appear everywhere. I had no idea we had so many classic cars hidden in sheds all over australia... old pommy cars, old american cars .... the occasional frenchie... just amazing.

I'm keen to see how it works out. In my head I'm thinking cars build after about '95 become almost impossible to keep on the roads as they age. So much fragile plastic that can get broken. major parts under the bonnet are even plastic. How will we go buying a new plastic rocker cover for a 2003 hi-undi in 5years time for example.

I really do think .... everything will eventually settle down to the pre-mid 90's as the realistic cuttoff simply due to parts availability and build quality of modern cars. Have you ever tried to pull the dash out of a modern car for example ?

Its it just me and my age .... or is the 70's -> mid 80's the golden era where cars were quite good drivers .... but also simple enough to work on without complex electronics.