Thread: Vic Red Plate Scheme

Originally Posted by mick88

Its all here Gents:

The extracts below are from the engage.vic.gov website.

Cheers, Mick.

• requirements for certificates of roadworthiness
• club permit fees being adjusted to align with the pro rata of light vehicle registration fees
• repairable Write Offs (RWOs)
• the potential use of an electronic logbook for the Club Permit Scheme
• the classification of motor trikes and golf carts
• registration of light trailers.

An increase to eligible vehicle age
An increase in the age of vehicles in the Club Permit Scheme is proposed from 25 years to 30 years. This will go further to support the intent of the scheme and will align requirements in Victoria with that of some other jurisdictions.

The regulations are expected to come into effect in October 2021.
It is anticipated that any of the proposed regulatory reforms will be introduced progressively, via the amendments to the Regulations, over 12 to 24 months from the commencement of the Regulations in October 2021. The progressive implementation of any reforms will allow for transition within the industry and the public after the finalisation of the reforms following the public consultation phase.

Details relating to any delayed commencement dates and transition periods will be made available when the final Regulations have been determined.



https://engage.vic.gov.au/

Thanks Mick,
Tried to find the text above on the website, managed to find some of it but not all. One of the documents has over 400 pages !

There seems to be a number of 'proposals' subject to consultation.
I found that the 30 year change doesn't affect ex military vehicles (would stay at 25 years) and de-commissioned buses (which are 20 years).
I had to check this comment However, vehicles currently younger than 30 years of age and on the CPS would be grandfathered.
Seems it means 'a provision in which an old rule continues to apply to some existing situations while a new rule will apply to all future cases. Those exempt from the new rule are said to have grandfather rights or acquired rights, or to have been grandfathered in'

There was comment about 'single entity Clubs', no politics there unless they have a split personality !
Discussion about 'replicas'. Apparently VIC has the only system where replicas are allowed.


I'll need to get the Defender on the system within the next few months so it can be 'grandfathered'.

Colin

Originally Posted by gromit

Thanks Mick,
Tried to find the text above on the website, managed to find some of it but not all. One of the documents has over 400 pages !

There seems to be a number of 'proposals' subject to consultation.
I found that the 30 year change doesn't affect ex military vehicles (would stay at 25 years) and de-commissioned buses (which are 20 years).


I'll need to get the Defender on the system within the next few months so it can be 'grandfathered'.

Colin

Yes Colin I reckon there will be a rush on before October comes around and Vicroads will get a big cash injection with all the new Permits being issued, but no doubt some vehicles will be on full rego and swapped over to the CPS.
We have new Club member who is on a mission to his Disco 1 project finished and on CPS by then, otherwise it will need to be "mothballed" for few years before it comes of age.

As a matter of interest, i wonder how many people are aware of the current regulations (Vic) regarding the use of Ride on Lawn Mowers and Golf Carts on public roads?
In a "nutshell" they can be driven up to two kays on a public road provided the reason is for it's intended use, no rego required, no license needed, just stay off the turps!

Cheers, Mick.

How are these vehicles classified?

A vehicle described as a golf cart, golf buggy or ride-on lawn mower, is not considered to be a motor vehicle for the purposes of the law provided the following conditions are met:

• it is designed mainly for use outside the road system
• it is only being used for the purpose for which it was manufactured
• it is not used to travel on roads or road related areas for more than two kilometres at a time in one direction.

When can these vehicles be used?

As these vehicles are not considered “motor vehicles”, they are exempt from registration. Because golf carts, golf buggies and ride-on lawn mowers do not have the safety features of a regular vehicle, their access to road and road related areas is limited to:

• golf cart or golf buggy – for the purpose of playing golf.
• ride on lawn mower – limited to its use of mowing lawns;

and, for going to or from the location for the activity (no more than a 2 km distance one way).


Who can drive these vehicles?

No driver licence is required to operate these vehicles provided they are being used in accordance with the above conditions.
Users should not operate these vehicles under the influence of alcohol or drugs, should take extreme caution when using them after dark, travel at safe speeds and must not travel on footpaths, bike paths and shared paths.
If these vehicles are used for purposes other than the manufactured intent, or outside the above conditions then they are subject to the same laws as any other motor vehicle. This includes laws related to driver licensing and registration.
As a golf cart, golf buggy or ride-on lawn mower is not considered a motor vehicle they would not be covered by third party personal injury insurance. If these vehicles have an accident that does not involve another motor vehicle, they would not be covered by TAC.
It is advised that an insurance policy should be taken out to cover the golf cart, golf buggy or ride-on lawn mower.

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

That' will never happen as it would cost the government to much in revenue. There excuse would be low income households where several poeple drive the one car ...... they would be paying three times the insurance.

It certainly makes the most sense though.

I agree it would never get off the ground.
How many households in todays society have one motor vehicle, very few i would think.
The occupants of households deemed as "Low Income" would most likely get a substantial discount or some type of financial assistance similar to rental assistance etc.


Cheers, Mick.

Never really understood why all the different plates are required when the police use a computer which gives them the information they require for each individual vehicle

Originally Posted by 3toes

Never really understood why all the different plates are required when the police use a computer which gives them the information they require for each individual vehicle

Maybe nowadays plates could be a common format......

Vic Club 'plates' are not registration plates as it's a permit system. I'm not sure that the police had access (I think they do now). I'd been told that if you went through a toll system on H plates they couldn't track you down.

No computer available then the Historic Plates tell the Police the vehicle driver needs to have a completed logbook with him/her.
Lowered, turbo charged wide wheels and on Modified Plates tell the Police that it's probably legit.



Colin

Originally Posted by gromit

Maybe nowadays plates could be a common format......

Vic Club 'plates' are not registration plates as it's a permit system. I'm not sure that the police had access (I think they do now). I'd been told that if you went through a toll system on H plates they couldn't track you down.

No computer available then the Historic Plates tell the Police the vehicle driver needs to have a completed logbook with him/her.
Lowered, turbo charged wide wheels and on Modified Plates tell the Police that it's probably legit.



Colin

A member of our club received an overdue Toll fine for a Victorian Tollway in his Vanguard which is on "H" plates.
He resides in country Victoria and the Vanguard has never been within 400 kays of Melbourne.
He rang them up "spitting chips" and asked them what colour the vehicle concerned was, it was white, whereas his is black.
He had them send him a copy of the photo of the vehicle concerned and on closer inspection the number plate on it had a white
background and was smaller in size, but had the same numbers and an "H" on the end. Turned out the vehicle concerned, an MG,
was from NSW and on their Historic Permit System, and the permit had lapsed for several years.
The tollway offence had occurred in the last couple of years, so the vehicle was also unregistered.
It's pretty obvious the permit system is not readily available on the database these mobs have access to.

Cheers, Mick.

The systems linking state registration databases together are built and maintained to the same standards as the systems that advertise and maintain Covid border closures with the same petty jealousies and points of difference. I'd be surprised if interstate police have any access to historic rego systems, although it might work in a limited manner.

Regards,
Tote

Originally Posted by Tins

If car clubs aren't your thing, or if there is no specific club you want to join and you don't have the desire to form one of your own, then Victorian Red Plate Club Inc might be the answer. No politics, no BS, no meetings, and certainly none of the "that's not a classic" snobbery demonstrated in some of the posts here. Just a desire to help folk enjoy the car THEY believe is worth preserving.

I know the bloke who started this.