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    There's a push for truck drivers to be on the road 16 hours a day.

    The regulator is promoting Advanced Fatigue Management to allow participants to set their own work and rest hours. As reported by the Brisbane times.




    選t is astounding': Push for truck drivers to be on the road for up to 16 hours a day (msn.com)
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    Shortage of drivers so I知 thinking they are trying to squeeze every hour out of us they can, maybe.
    Bldy stupid in my opinion, hard enough to do 17 hour days 5 days a week not alone anymore. I知 glad I finally had enough sense to get out of it.

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    C'mon Bob, I thought you were better than that. The article is just fear mongering click bait, written by and for people who have absolutely no idea.
    Western Australia has had similar, legal hours forever. Statistics do not indicate a higher incidence of fatigue related crashes than the eastern states.
    There is no shortage of truck drivers, just a shortage of competent drivers prepared to work for the pittance and poor conditions offered by much of the industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    C'mon Bob, I thought you were better than that. The article is just fear mongering click bait, written by and for people who have absolutely no idea.
    Western Australia has had similar, legal hours forever. Statistics do not indicate a higher incidence of fatigue related crashes than the eastern states.
    There is no shortage of truck drivers, just a shortage of competent drivers prepared to work for the pittance and poor conditions offered by much of the industry.
    I'm not a truck driver, so the article may mean something, I can't second guess the truck industry. Does what the article say contain some truth? Is the WA system similar to the proposed Advanced Fatigue Management? Do you think that the AFM is the way of the future, although I see it has been in place since 2012. A report from the NHVR is supposed to claim the AFM is too costly, too difficult and time consuming. Do you work under the AFM system? You are the expert, I'd like to know more about this system.
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    Bob, fatigue management legislation is designed as a revenue raising method. It forces drivers to rest when they're not tired, consequently having to drive when their body wants to sleep.
    Example, I was knocked off for fifteen minutes over legal hours. I was less than ten minutes from a road house that had showers, toilets, restaurant and shade to park under whilst I slept. The legislation expected me to park on a gravel pad, twenty-five metres from the highway, with the only facility being an overflowing forty-four being used as a rubbish bin and no shade. Which venue do you think gives the opportunity of quality rest/sleep, in the channel country?
    What enforceable legislation exists to limit the hours of service staff in the multitude of sectors of other twenty-four hour industries, e.g. fridgies, sparkles, mechanics et al, or even a copper finishing a twelve hour shift in Sydney and heading straight off to Cairns, in one hit?
    What legislation is there to limit the hours of duty in Defence?
    The WA system works well, it's a common sense balance between fatigue management and getting the freight through, without forcing drivers to take extended rest breaks in he middle of nowhere.
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    AFM and BFM have been around for a while now. I have worked under BFM and it certainly gave me some additional flexibility in my day to day hours. I didn't have to do 14 hours in a given 24 hour period but the options was there and most days I took it. And I think that is how it should be, a driver decision not a company decision on what hours you complete in one day. It only takes an accident or some other unforeseen incident to mess up your day.

    The only company that I know that went down the path of AFM was Simon, and part of the obligation was to have their entire fleet speed limited to 90km/h. Along with the additional administrative burden and stricter compliance issues this is why most companies only go down the BFM route. BFM also requires addition training for drivers and accreditation to implement but not quite as restrictive as AFM.

    The other downside to this is that the average age of the long distance truck driver is climbing and if not in the low 50's is certainly in the high 40's. Most younger drivers only want to do local and short haul work. Then you get the drivers from...ummm.. overseas....... many of who (from my experience) should not have a heavy vehicle licence.

    And then there are the consignors and consignees that want the job done in the shortest possible time (usually last minute) and at the cheapest price. These are the people the government should be targeting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    There is no shortage of truck drivers, just a shortage of competent drivers prepared to work for the pittance and poor conditions offered by much of the industry.
    ive heard this stated many times. how has it come about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eevo View Post
    ive heard this stated many times. how has it come about?
    Because there痴 an abundance of crappy second rate drivers prepared to work for a pittance. Think Taxi drivers with a larger vehicle...

    Some of them can稚 even back a single trailer - they will ask other drivers to help them. I watched one of these folk try and back a trailer into my mates workshop to have the brakes done - huge driveway, 5 meter wide roller door off a wide road in an industrial estate - he couldn稚 do it, **** knows how he got his licence.

    I can easy back my mates float in the same door and I don稚 have a semi licence - only a medium rigid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChookD2 View Post
    AFM and BFM have been around for a while now. I have worked under BFM and it certainly gave me some additional flexibility in my day to day hours. I didn't have to do 14 hours in a given 24 hour period but the options was there and most days I took it. And I think that is how it should be, a driver decision not a company decision on what hours you complete in one day. It only takes an accident or some other unforeseen incident to mess up your day.

    The only company that I know that went down the path of AFM was Simon, and part of the obligation was to have their entire fleet speed limited to 90km/h. Along with the additional administrative burden and stricter compliance issues this is why most companies only go down the BFM route. BFM also requires addition training for drivers and accreditation to implement but not quite as restrictive as AFM.

    The other downside to this is that the average age of the long distance truck driver is climbing and if not in the low 50's is certainly in the high 40's. Most younger drivers only want to do local and short haul work. Then you get the drivers from...ummm.. overseas....... many of who (from my experience) should not have a heavy vehicle licence.

    And then there are the consignors and consignees that want the job done in the shortest possible time (usually last minute) and at the cheapest price. These are the people the government should be targeting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobMichelle View Post
    Shortage of drivers so I知 thinking they are trying to squeeze every hour out of us they can, maybe.
    Bldy stupid in my opinion, hard enough to do 17 hour days 5 days a week not alone anymore. I知 glad I finally had enough sense to get out of it.
    Nowhere in this country is it legal to do 5x17 hours a week, not even WA.
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