Disco 1 days are numbered - which dual cab ute?

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Originally Posted by edddo

No low range is a problem.

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The auto's overheat just looking at a hill then take an hour to cool down, i wouldn't touch one either.

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Originally Posted by edddo

Coils on rear of Triton? Dont know about that?
Nice to see a vote for the Navara..that makes 1.

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Make it two votes for the Nav.
My sons 2020 has had no probs whatsoever and drives much nicer than my other sons new Hilux.
No comparison with NVH, and transmission.

Navs of 6-10 yrs ago were POS, but they have got them ok now apart from the stupid way they determine towing weights assoc with payload. Daft.

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Originally Posted by bob10

The BT50 is just a rebadged D-Max, with the same drive train and engine and suspension. I spent the better part of a week going from the Isuzu dealer to the Mazda dealer, and found out dealers will tell you anything , in order to get a sale. Or , perhaps I should say they will tell you what you want to hear , not necessarily what you need to know, if that makes sense.

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I thought th BT50 was based on the ford ranger, not the d-max?

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Originally Posted by Eevo

I thought th BT50 was based on the ford ranger, not the d-max?

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I think you're correct. Isn't the Colorado the D-Max clone?

I might have missed it, but did you say why you wanted a dual cab ute rather than a wagon?
Have you considered a Ford Everest? I've seen some very nice ones. Advantages of a Ranger plus a better rear suspension.
Or you could just get on car sales and buy a low kilometres Defender. Go on, you know you want too. Ha!

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Originally Posted by Discodicky

Make it two votes for the Nav.
My sons 2020 has had no probs whatsoever and drives much nicer than my other sons new Hilux.
No comparison with NVH, and transmission.

Navs of 6-10 yrs ago were POS, but they have got them ok now apart from the stupid way they determine towing weights assoc with payload. Daft.

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We couldn’t make any live very long doing heavy duty work from our Field Service Mechanics and their wasn’t a good thing to be said about them but maybe lighter duty kids taxi etc is ok for them?

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Originally Posted by Discodicky

Talking about re-sale, but slightly off subject, I worked out the other day that with the current 'asking' prices of Series 1,2, 2a and 3 L/rovers, they are asking anywhere between 5 and 45 TIMES their original prices!!....... try and beat THAT Toyota!! [bigrolf][bigrolf]

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Your maths is not far off. but its all guesswork.5 to 45 is a huge variance.
The one in my sig was 734 pounds,including numerous 'extras',as per factory reciept dated 19/7/56.

The are quite a few Tojos same sort of vintage bringing same or more money,that is if you can find one that hasnt rusted away...[bighmmm],and is original.
There are quite a few around that have been fully refurbed.
But definitely less around Aus than LR's.
Many of the LR's are bits and pieces,and not restored correctly back to original.

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Originally Posted by Geedublya

No low range is a pain in the ass if you have to reverse or do any sustained slow stuff. Very easy to overheat the transmission. You can get the V6 with a manual box and low range. This would be fine if you didn't want an auto. The Amarok has 5 star ANCAP but it is 2011 ANCAP and it would be 2 or 3 star ANCAP today.

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Notoriously, no airbags in the back.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

We couldn’t make any live very long doing heavy duty work from our Field Service Mechanics and their wasn’t a good thing to be said about them but maybe lighter duty kids taxi etc is ok for them?

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Yes, agree. Prior retirement I was associated with the earth moving industry and approx 15-20 yrs ago we were contracted to Nissan and used Navaras for Field Service duties. They were absolute rubbish. Grossly underpowered and couldn't keep suspension under them.
But these new ones appear to be vastly improved and the Renault engine appears to be ok as well.

I am very 'anti' the autos in the Hilux (same as Prado and Mux/D-Max) as it never knows which gear it wants to be in. Constantly up and down the range and drops from 6th at the slightest opportunity. My TDV6 with 8 speeder will cruise at 80 kph on the flat with light throttle opening in 8th at around 1100 rpm. My (bought new) MY17 Mux wouldn't get into 6th until 90 kph and then drop down like the Hilux.
Sold it after I did the maths with GVM/GCM which I shoulda done prior purchase. Duh! [bigwhistle]

Jap transmissions, or should I say, the part Toyota owned Aisin, in 4WD's, are nowhere near the best auto available.

Amarok V6 is the way to go if you don't have a GCM problem as at 6000 kg is not high enough.
Having said that, it is well documented fact that all 4WD Dual cabs have their GVM/GCM limitations if towing around 3.0 Tonnes.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Notoriously, no airbags in the back.

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Yes,heap of other safety features missing,way behind others in the class.

No low range,not for me,thats for sure.

It hasnt been updated for years,which is the main issue.

I remember when it first appeared they all called it the Hilux killer,how wrong they were.....[bigsad][biggrin]

Inlaws have 11 of them as work utes,all sorts of issues,they wont be getting them again,slowly replacing them with the jap brand/Thia built they had before.

As a private vehicle they might be better,but as a company commercial vehicle,hauling loads around all day,every day,serviced corectly,but probably generally not looked after as well as a private vehicle,they didnt do well.
But they did get a great deal on them,they were pretty cheap,from memory.