Covid Mk ll

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Originally Posted by superquag

Just for a slight change...and some balance.

Back in 2017, we had a nasty 'Flu year, over 220,000 notified infections and 1,250 or so DEATHS. from FLU... Proved. No argument... And all ages, babies, kids, teens,.... Seniors. Previously healthy or not.

Anyone remember the sheer panic, lock-downs, (suicides & DV ) social distancing, interstate borders shut down and industries and jobs trashed ?

Neither do I.

Not also in 2019. when over 300,000 tested positive... and 800+ expired.

But 2020 was great for Flu, only 21,000 got sick, and less than....... 40 died.

This year, I think it's around 400 lab-tested Flu..... and no notified C of D. Yet.

3303.0 - Causes of Death, Australia, 2017

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And for a little more balance - the flu cases are way down because the action taken to try and contain covid are even more effective for flu!

Another point - Australia has managed to keep the number of cases of covid down to under 50,000 and deaths to under a thousand because lockdowns, border restriction etc were used. A comparison of where we could be without these restrictions, consider Texas, with about the same population as here. To date they have had nearly 3.5million cases, 55,000 deaths, and are currently running at around 22,000 new cases and 200 deaths per day, both numbers increasing. This gives a good picture of where we could be without lockdowns etc.

Covid-19 is far more infectious than is influenza, (around five times for delta) and has a case fatality rate about ten times higher.

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Originally Posted by superquag

Just for a slight change...and some balance.

Back in 2017, we had a nasty 'Flu year, over 220,000 notified infections and 1,250 or so DEATHS. from FLU... Proved. No argument... And all ages, babies, kids, teens,.... Seniors. Previously healthy or not.

Anyone remember the sheer panic, lock-downs, (suicides & DV ) social distancing, interstate borders shut down and industries and jobs trashed ?

Neither do I.

Not also in 2019. when over 300,000 tested positive... and 800+ expired.

But 2020 was great for Flu, only 21,000 got sick, and less than....... 40 died.

This year, I think it's around 400 lab-tested Flu..... and no notified C of D. Yet.

3303.0 - Causes of Death, Australia, 2017

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You are not actually bringing balance unfortunately. Cheers

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Originally Posted by Grumbles

Oz population is some 25 million. So talk of a target of 70% being vaccinated will leave 7 million plus unprotected and vulnerable to catching Covid. That is a sobering thought.

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That's the issue in Israel - 80% of eligible population leaves several million who are ineligible (as under 12 years old) plus vaccine refusers means that they actually have only 58% of entire population vaccinated.

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Originally Posted by superquag

Just for a slight change...and some balance.

Back in 2017, we had a nasty 'Flu year, over 220,000 notified infections and 1,250 or so DEATHS. from FLU... Proved. No argument... And all ages, babies, kids, teens,.... Seniors. Previously healthy or not.

Anyone remember the sheer panic, lock-downs, (suicides & DV ) social distancing, interstate borders shut down and industries and jobs trashed ?

Neither do I.

Not also in 2019. when over 300,000 tested positive... and 800+ expired.

But 2020 was great for Flu, only 21,000 got sick, and less than....... 40 died.

This year, I think it's around 400 lab-tested Flu..... and no notified C of D. Yet.

3303.0 - Causes of Death, Australia, 2017

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The issue is that Covid is about 10 times more lethal than influenza - so at the same number of infections that wouldn't be 1,250 deaths, it'd be 12,500.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

That's the issue in Israel - 80% of eligible population leaves several million who are ineligible (as under 12 years old) plus vaccine refusers means that they actually have only 58% of entire population vaccinated.

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i suspect, this is going to be the norm, and if boosters are required, the percentage is going to be less.

You may be right, but I am at a complete loss to know why it is that in a country that routinely manages to achieve about 95% vaccination rates for a number of other diseases, we want to be satisfied with around 60% for a disease that is at least as dangerous and probably more so?

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Originally Posted by superquag

Just for a slight change...and some balance.

Back in 2017, we had a nasty 'Flu year, over 220,000 notified infections and 1,250 or so DEATHS. from FLU... Proved. No argument... And all ages, babies, kids, teens,.... Seniors. Previously healthy or not.

Anyone remember the sheer panic, lock-downs, (suicides & DV ) social distancing, interstate borders shut down and industries and jobs trashed ?

Neither do I.

Not also in 2019. when over 300,000 tested positive... and 800+ expired.

But 2020 was great for Flu, only 21,000 got sick, and less than....... 40 died.

This year, I think it's around 400 lab-tested Flu..... and no notified C of D. Yet.

3303.0 - Causes of Death, Australia, 2017

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Of all your attempts to downplay the seriousness of COVID-19, this one is the clearest demonstration that either, you simply don't understand the situation and will post anything that you think supports your beliefs or that you are deliberately spreading misinformation.

It is ludicrous to think that it is valid to compare the number of deaths from the flu in 2017 with the number of deaths from COVID-19. In 2017 there were no lockdowns, no contact tracing, no masks, no social distancing, no border closures, and no public health messages about limiting the spread of the virus.

Why is it so hard for some people to understand that the reason our deaths from COVID are relatively low is because we implemented prevention measures? If you want a more valid comparison then compare the 2017 flu deaths with places that imposed restrictions closer to what was in place in 2017.

One example would be Florida; similar population to Australia and almost 42,000 deaths.

Another would be South Dakota; 2,325 deaths per million compared with 38 per million in Australia.

If we were handling COVID the same way we handled the flu in 2017, there are good reasons to think that Australia could have had somewhere between 42,000 and 58,000 deaths.

Don't you think it is time you stopped spreading misinformation? It is clear you either don't understand or that you are deliberately spreading lies.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

You may be right, but I am at a complete loss to know why it is that in a country that routinely manages to achieve about 95% vaccination rates for a number of other diseases, we want to be satisfied with around 60% for a disease that is at least as dangerous and probably more so?

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Probably because of the cautious and risk averse nature of the medical industry and that the consistent line that prior to Delta children weren’t impacted by Covid.
Common vaccines that are administered to children target childhood diseases, hopefully the necessary research and approvals will start to be done soon

Regards
Tote

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Originally Posted by Tote

Probably because of the cautious and risk averse nature of the medical industry and that the consistent line that prior to Delta children weren’t impacted by Covid.
Common vaccines that are administered to children target childhood diseases, hopefully the necessary research and approvals will start to be done soon

Regards
Tote

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I think vaccine hesitancy is more an artefact of social media.

Anyone discussion about adverse effects will link to others of a similar ilk. There is no balanced discussion once someone embarks on a path.

DL

Flu vaccination rates also should be considered. We generally aim for at least 80% flu vaxing of the total population, including children, who get the flu vax at school. Most serious flu cases then happen among those not flu vaxed.
We are nowhere near that level with the Covid vax. Even 80% of those eligible for Covid vax would only be about 65% of total population.
Covid is far more infectious and deadly than the flu, so even if we get to 80% total population vaxed, Covid will spread among the other 20%.
State borders will have to stay up for a long time, maybe well into next year.
Also, Covid will still be spreading outside Australia, so the threat will remain. This is sadly far from over.