Covid Mk ll

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Originally Posted by trout1105

So with the resounding success of let it rip MK1 you want to go the let it rip MK2 with No restrictions and No testing do you ??

Just look at the deaths and chaos that MK1 caused and now you want MK2 which will ensure the maximum chaos and a Much higher death rate[bigwhistle]

The rates of people having had their booster shot is very low at the moment So IF you get your wish you will be able to enjoy seeing the extra deaths and misery that let it rip MK2 will ensure, Happy days[bigwhistle]

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Is it a one or the other situation is it? Not sure where I said give up on everything, but questioned you on why you thought we should have a 14 day quarantine period when infection rates were dropping is all, and that I thought we should start to look at backing off on other things - if that's 'letting it rip' to you, then so be it.

A few other things to consider - no one is wearing masks or checking in any more from everything I see - I was the only one at the Servo this morning wearing a mask apart from staff, and I was the only one that checked in. Same at Bunnings last night - I saw no one else check in and I was one of only 3 people (apart from staff) wearing a mask, so it's already being allowed to rip as far as I can see and infection rates are still dropping. I also know of a person who tested positive but went about their lives as normal - behavior I don't condone but it must be happening widely as I hear other reports of this as well - and the sky hasn't fallen - quite the opposite.

So my views are based on what I see every day here and the numbers - why tighten restrictions when things are going well? All that will do is make it harder to do anything if/when a new variant comes along that is more dangerous - they the poo will really hit the fan.

Some other stats to muse over:-
58 people a day die of the top 4 cancers (Lung, colon, prostate and breast)
33 people a day die of heart attacks
3 die in cars and 9 commit suicide

Those causes alone (out of the 500+ that die per day in Australia of all causes) make up more than the covid numbers each day - and the covid numbers are dropping day after day. While I think we absolutely needed to do what we did as far as lockdowns, etc early on to avoid a catastrophe, with the current variant and what the numbers show - ie very mild illness in boosted population and dropping case numbers, hospitalisation's and deaths, we should be easing restrictions, not tightening them. I can't see a case at all for that - I for one am not spending my life living in fear of this virus - cautious yes - as I have always been - but that didn't stop me getting it even though I have done and still do everything like check in, wear a mask, socially distance, sanitize, etc - it's pretty much inevitable IMO that most will contract this at some point - to a greater or lesser degree - time to get on with life.

While deaths from other causes are tragic, it is important to remember than most of them are not caused by something that is contagious and capable of exponential growth.

In the very early days of this pandemic, I read a comment by some health official that if we get these preventative measures right, a lot of people will claim we over-reacted.

It is easy to forget how effective the preventative measures have been in avoiding the exponential growth that could have occurred if we had done nothing.

The numbers of daily deaths don't appear to be falling at the same rate as the new infections numbers which seems to suggest that some people are Not reporting a positive RAT result and are continuing to "Spread the Joy" by not isolating.
The TRUE number of new cases is highly likely to be much higher than that reported each day and even the reported 11,240 new cases and 36 deaths cannot in any shape or form be described as " We are doing well".

I went to town on Tuesday for my booster shot and I saw plenty of people wearing masks, hand sanitiseing, distancing and checking in and at the moment there are Zero cases of COV19 in this region So while it may be a case that people on the Eastern seaboard have pretty much given up even trying to contain the spread of this virus That is not the case here from my observations.

YES we will eventually have to live with this virus But that doesn't mean that simply give up trying to stop the spread of it, Simply Giving up is NOT an option.

My neighbour is a teacher at a school and I asked her if she has been supplied with RATs , which she was. I asked about the student testing and she told me it's up to the parents whether their kids are tested. So you don't know if he kid is tested and reporting it,

The testing numbers are skewed downwards as only those who get tested are counted, not all who are infected. The real numbers that are meaningful when this thing gets loose is hospitalisations and deaths. If those are going up then it is still running amok and restrictions still need to be in place to some degree in order to keep the health system functioning. In most of the graphs I can find for Aust., hospitalisations appear to have stabilised and trending downwards with lots of variability. Same trends appear for those in ICU and those in ICU on ventilators. It appears to have peaked for you guys - a good thing.

Here in NZ we are only just starting to see omicron spreading in the community and so our hospitals are yet to be exposed to pressures of high numbers. We have a rough couple of months ahead of us here.

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Originally Posted by Roverlord off road spares

My neighbour is a teacher at a school and I asked her if she has been supplied with RATs , which she was. I asked about the student testing and she told me it's up to the parents whether their kids are tested. So you don't know if he kid is tested and reporting it,

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In NSW the kids are supplied with tests but testing is not mandatory.


Regards,
Tote

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What I see in some of the graphs I have found is that Vic and NSW have the biggest trend downwards in hospitalisations, ICU and ventilators in Aust. Vic has some quite marked trends downwards in some of the more serious aspects of this thing. I hope this continues through winter.

From COVID-19 Hospitalisation, ICU, ventilator data in Australia | covid19data.com.au

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Originally Posted by windsock

The testing numbers are skewed downwards as only those who get tested are counted, not all who are infected. The real numbers that are meaningful when this thing gets loose is hospitalisations and deaths. If those are going up then it is still running amok and restrictions still need to be in place to some degree in order to keep the health system functioning. In most of the graphs I can find for Aust., hospitalisations appear to have stabilised and trending downwards with lots of variability. Same trends appear for those in ICU and those in ICU on ventilators. It appears to have peaked for you guys - a good thing.

Here in NZ we are only just starting to see omicron spreading in the community and so our hospitals are yet to be exposed to pressures of high numbers. We have a rough couple of months ahead of us here.

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Rough couple of months ahead for sure. If NZ was unable to keep Omicron out of the community it does tell you this is near impossible to beat (but no - does not mean “let it rip” - it just means “get a grip”).

Despite all this, interesting to see the plan to re-open borders has now been “locked in”. Nice to know NZ will welcome Australian’s again in the not too distant future. Plus of course good news for Kiwi’s wanting to get home as well.

Whilst it appears we have passed the peak on the east coast, daily case numbers are looking like they will in fact stabilise around the current levels - so whilst we can expect hospitalisations and deaths to also stabilise in the next few weeks, they won’t go away. This is clearly the reality of what the health officials have all been meaning when they say we will need to learn to live with this - whether we like it or not.

Welcome to the endemic.

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Originally Posted by windsock

What I see in some of the graphs I have found is that Vic and NSW have the biggest trend downwards in hospitalisations, ICU and ventilators in Aust. Vic has some quite marked trends downwards in some of the more serious aspects of this thing. I hope this continues through winter.

From COVID-19 Hospitalisation, ICU, ventilator data in Australia | covid19data.com.au

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I just wonder if we can compare a trend that starts extremely high with ones that are considerably lower, without getting a false impression. I guess we will find out, let's hope we are not caught out. Winter is coming.

Europe should enjoy a period of tranquillity from Covid , with the end of winter, according to WHO's Europe Director, Dr Hans Kluge. But Australia must be prepared for a wave of infections, according to the CHO, Paul Kelly. Kelly said " I do believe we will have another wave of Omicron in winter. And we will have a flu wave with it for the first time. "it's not the time to be complacent.