Covid Mk ll

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

One of the ironies of controlling Covid is that by being able to live a pretty normal life, when it does get in it spreads widely and quickly.

I was in Sydney a couple of months ago and I and a colleague from Melbourne recoiled from getting into a packed lift with some clients and colleagues, but my Sydney colleagues piled in and started chiacking us for not getting in with them. The thing is that in Melbourne our office lifts are still max three people and that was left in place as a precaution even when we were out of lockdown.

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Yes, I agree. The irony is strong... I could see complacency out there at many levels. I still scanned in everywhere I went but as I was each time, always there were others walking right past without doing so... Large gathering happening as if nothing was happening out in the world.

Did you see my post back a few pages about the two conferences... Covid Mk ll It may explain quite a few of the dots outside of Auckland.

It could be worse. The DIL has to wear full PPE with mask all day. Gets quite uncomfortable.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

It could be worse. The DIL has to wear full PPE with mask all day. Gets quite uncomfortable.

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Agree 100%

If a bit of PPE is uncomfortable, stop and look at what others deal with and consider yourself lucky.

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Originally Posted by Tote

Episode 3, series one of Futurama has all the information you need - Death by snu-snu

Regards,
Tote

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I must lead a sheltered life because I had no idea what you were talking about and had to google Futurama and snu-snu.

Feeling a little more confident in the Doherty plan, when it was explained this morning by the head of the Doherty Institute. It was never meant that restrictions would be fully eased, with large numbers of cases. the optimal number is when the R number is kept below 1. Tracing, testing , isolation and quarantine will still be carried out, with lock downs an option if the R number goes above 1. However, it can still be implemented with large numbers of cases, if you are willing to have large numbers in hospital [ and the report is Sydney hospitals are ramping up with covid cases right now. ] and large numbers of deaths.

The feeling is the numbers in NSW are peaking, and we may see a drop in cases over the next week. If NSW can get cases down , and that R number is close to 1, this nightmare may be turning around. There still needs to be serious debate over the 70-80 % number, children should be included, IMO, and there are still serious questions about the modelling for the Doherty Plan from some leading epidemiologists which need to be addressed. However, if the government provides clear and concise explanations about where we are heading, which has been lacking, and if all the political games are stopped, we should make some positive progress . Some information here;

Doherty Institute modelling and what NSW's outbreak means for Australia (thenewdaily.com.au)

There were a couple of USA based articles on the hesitancy to go to giving under 12s the jab without further research.

I’ve lost the links when my phone updated so will try to locate them again.

From memory it was around understanding what impacts mRNA changes may have on younger humans, and to ensure it doesn’t have any unwanted repercussions.

I’m thinking this is a good thing for the moment.

Looks like a false dawn , over 900 cases in NSW , one death. Bit early, the numbers at the end of the month will tell.

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Originally Posted by bob10

. And a sign of things to come, if we don't get it right. The Philippines largest public hospital has been so overwhelmed by a continuous stream of COVID patients that it temporarily stopped accepting patients at its Emergency Room. The hospitals decision came a day after the Health Dept. reported 18,332 new cases on monday.

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Tokyo hospitals aren't accepting Covid patients unless seriously ill, so it's likely that people are dying at home - one of the surprising things that's come out of this pandemic is the realisation that Tokyo simply doesn't have enough hospital beds for 34 million people. Unlike here they also don't have a network of GPs who deal with most non-serious issues - in Tokyo, any time that you have any medical issue, no matter how trivial, you typically go to the nearest hospital and queue for a couple of hours to see someone. As a result the big teaching hospitals are incredibly busy on any normal day, so they'd be quickly overwhelmed during a pandemic.

The last time I was in Tokyo I had to take an ambulance ride (at 5.00am Christmas Day ... ) but whilst the ambulance guys were great it took them about 20 minutes to find a hospital in that zone that would admit me - whilst that was largely because I was a foreigner and the hospitals were worried about me skipping off without paying, I did notice that there weren't that many options given the population size. The place I ended up was crap and didn't have the required specialists available in any case. I asked to be transferred to a nearby hospital that I'd been going to for the last 30 year but the ambos couldn't do it because it was in a different zone - so I walked out and took a taxi to that hospital, where I did get good care.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Tokyo hospitals aren't accepting Covid patients unless seriously ill, so it's likely that people are dying at home - one of the surprising things that's come out of this pandemic is the realisation that Tokyo simply doesn't have enough hospital beds for 34 million people. Unlike here they also don't have a network of GPs who deal with most non-serious issues - in Tokyo, any time that you have any medical issue, no matter how trivial, you typically go to the nearest hospital and queue for a couple of hours to see someone. As a result the big teaching hospitals are incredibly busy on any normal day, so they'd be quickly overwhelmed during a pandemic.

The last time I was in Tokyo I had to take an ambulance ride (at 5.00am Christmas Day ... ) but whilst the ambulance guys were great it took them about 20 minutes to find a hospital in that zone that would admit me - whilst that was largely because I was a foreigner and the hospitals were worried about me skipping off without paying, I did notice that there weren't that many options given the population size. The place I ended up was crap and didn't have the required specialists available in any case. I asked to be transferred to a nearby hospital that I'd been going to for the last 30 year but the ambos couldn't do it because it was in a different zone - so I walked out and took a taxi to that hospital, where I did get good care.

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Our hospital beds are limited, our hospital staff are limited and rather exhausted. Vic is trying to bring in 300 ish from Overseas. Not sure where from?

On the bright side soon I may not have to pay for your band aids and some other Doctors might be lending a hand thankfully as I know a lot who are not. News today
"Vaccine Merchandise
Vaccine providers will soon receive a package of COVID-19 vaccine merchandise. This will include
posters, band-aids and stickers in ‘Arm Yourself’ branding." [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

PS in that email it did include sort of official notification of the 16-39 year olds at last

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Tokyo hospitals aren't accepting Covid patients unless seriously ill, so it's likely that people are dying at home - one of the surprising things that's come out of this pandemic is the realisation that Tokyo simply doesn't have enough hospital beds for 34 million people. Unlike here they also don't have a network of GPs who deal with most non-serious issues - in Tokyo, any time that you have any medical issue, no matter how trivial, you typically go to the nearest hospital and queue for a couple of hours to see someone. As a result the big teaching hospitals are incredibly busy on any normal day, so they'd be quickly overwhelmed during a pandemic.

The last time I was in Tokyo I had to take an ambulance ride (at 5.00am Christmas Day ... ) but whilst the ambulance guys were great it took them about 20 minutes to find a hospital in that zone that would admit me - whilst that was largely because I was a foreigner and the hospitals were worried about me skipping off without paying, I did notice that there weren't that many options given the population size. The place I ended up was crap and didn't have the required specialists available in any case. I asked to be transferred to a nearby hospital that I'd been going to for the last 30 year but the ambos couldn't do it because it was in a different zone - so I walked out and took a taxi to that hospital, where I did get good care.

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A disturbing plea from Sydney Ambo's highlights just what you say. Anyone experiencing breathlessness , chest pain or dizziness must call an ambulance, after a young mother with COVID-19 died at home on Monday. Sydney lung specialist Dr Lucy Morgan said " If you have COVID, and you feel breathless, have trouble breathing , and are feeling dizzy, you need to call an ambulance." " Don't ring up and make a GP appointment, call an ambulance because these kinds of symptoms & signs tell me that the COVID-19 illness is progressing, and progressing quickly."

Emergency ambulance callouts usually cost $ 400 without insurance in NSW, but health authorities have confirmed covid patients are not being charged.

Dr Morgan outlined the next steps as patients deteriorate. Patients get increasingly restless, and need further medical intervention as their oxygen levels drop, and if necessary, a ventilator will do the breathing for them. That is the point at which some one in hospital having care for covid-19 may require intensive care therapy, a machine to do the reading for you, a machine to possibly support the blood, and to do the work of organs in your body.[ Any one who says covid is just like the flu is crazy]

The full story here;

'Do not delay': Disturbing warning for NSW virus cases | The New Daily