That is not evidence that they don't work.
The issue is not whether those countries still have covid, but rather how much covid they have.
If they have less covid, there has been a benefit.
Why do you assume that unless something is 100% effective that it doesn't work?
If it has reduced cases or slowed the increase, it has worked.
It doesn't have to make things perfect. It just has to make things better or stop things getting worse.
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just to jump back to this, every country has non compliance with its law to some degree. with lockdowns i dont know if australian compliance is higher or lower than other countries. i dont think its relevant as there.
also, non compliance is not a major factor according to the deputy medical chief:
today the deputy chief health officer for NSW revealed that rule-breakers are only to blame for a tiny proportion of cases.
Dr Marianne Gale said the “vast majority” of the new cases being found in the state are not people doing the wrong thing at all.
She said the rising cases are merely a reflection of the fact that the virus is mostly spreading among young people and essential service workers — particularly in the hotspot suburbs of Sydney.
It could be the beginnings of a high school based outbreak in Auckland similar to that which happened in Qld. Two high school kids, each from a different school, test positive.
An interesting article in The Conversation maps out how each age group have different behavior patterns and therefore different modes of spreading the virus between them.
Or it could also be a certain softness to the rules. If many places that could be argued as non-essential are left to trade, there are more opportunities for spread while punters are undertaking 'legitimate' trading or business activity.
A comparison between NZ/Auckland, Melbourne, Sydney/NSW high level restrictions is quite interesting. NSW has by far the higher number of business types still allowed to trade. This means a higher number of people about than otherwise would be with a more limiting lockdown.
Melbourne and Auckland will be interesting to watch over the next week or two to see if the stricter lock downs have a quick or more perceptible downturn in numbers. At the moment, the Sydney numbers are escalating and if compliance to the rules are not the issue, could it be the rules themselves.
The post Arapiles is mentioning is simple data that says a lot about the future for 'covid normal', the politicisation of vaccination and the far lower death rate per infection after a fair swag of the sensible ones have done it:
'158,000 new cases and 1,055 dead in the US yesterday, just for info.'
DL
its odd people still do not understand
"The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu"
Hopkins data which is very balanced I think
How is stimulating discussion trolling?? There were a number of replies to my posts that were thoughtful and structured, not just a simple "if their not vaccinated send 'em offshore in leaky boat" type of answer.Originally Posted by Trout1105
I don't think discussing where society is heading with this pandemic is trolling. But... each to their own.
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From The Conversation, a well thought out opinion piece, which makes a lot of sense. From one well qualified to write it. What we need now is a balanced discussion, more than ever.
- Hassan VallyAssociate Professor, La Trobe University
Disclosure statement
Hassan Vally does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment.
"The latest mantra is that we have to learn to live with the virus. Perhaps eventually that will be true. But ATM we have a very infectious virus circulating in a mostly non-immune population. Metaphorically, we are in a tinder dry bush on a hot summers day where one spark can lead to a raging bushfire. While this unstable dynamic exists, living with the virus isn't an option. The only option is to respond aggressively and eliminate the virus in order to enjoy some freedoms while we wait for the effect of vaccines to kick in. We keep seeing the benefits of going early & hard, and with the emergence of the delta variant , this seems to be more true than ever."
Once 70-80% of us are fully vaccinated, the end will be in sight.
Liam Petterson
Deputy Editor, Health + Medicine
Should we give up on COVID-zero? Until most of us are vaccinated, we can't live with the virus (theconversation.com)
I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food
A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking
The article assumes that “Responding aggressively and eliminating the virus” is an option.
Perhaps it is in those states that are lucky enough through population density, demographics, lifestyle or whatever other factors are at play that has repeatedly allowed them to recover from outbreaks.
It certainly isn’t an option in Sydney where vaccination is the only viable solution, Melbourne is rapidly heading the same way with a three day lockdown extended to three weeks so far
Over 10,000 people are in isolation in the ACT and I’m dubious of their chances of doing much better, although they might just pull it off.
The best aggressive response is to get enough people vaccinated and finally it is starting to happen.
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