Covid Mk ll

**NavyDiver** · 18th October 2021, 08:50 AM

The state based arguments are a bit odd. I think all states even Vic have done an amazing job. Not political inspired at all.

The US has 12 times our population with 333,506,000+ to our 25703000+ people. We have contained dead to 1448, they sadly have 724000 and adding more than our total deaths daily. Today they have 130.883 time more dead than we do. (1448 to 12)

Rough numbers or statistics? They are dead people, friends, family, mum's, dads, kids. Not meaning to be morbid or depressing. Really pleased with the efforts more than 90% of us have helped with. The rate of hospitalizations will go up here. The death rates are massively lower than this time last year and not going to escalate according to most forcasts/modeling and statistics.

A day off for me to do my rotten tax returns *3. Oh the joy of working out how well those silly investments I made last year made me

Friday dinner with 10 here is still off for me. All my family and mates know I am seeing hundreds+++ people each week so are happy for me to stay away for a little longer alas

Fishing on the other hand- Bring it on

**incisor** · 18th October 2021, 09:07 AM

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latest stats from england

looks like 3rd dose needed sooner rather than later it appears if your an older person

the thread is on twitter

makes for an interesting read

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...00712441974786

**101RRS** · 18th October 2021, 01:14 PM

Inc that would probably tie in with our own experiences where those who have died having being fully vaccinated are invariably the very old and infirmed with few younger fully vaccinated dying. While there is some evidence that two doses may impart some long term protection, there is also evidence that is may not though we do know cover does drop off but not clear to what level in the longer term. So to me until these factors are known and the next generation of vaccines are introduced it would be foolish not to have a third shot as a precaution, starting with the elderly.

I agree with Tote and others that the NSW experience does seem to show vaccines are bringing down infections, as well as earlier lockdowns but this is not the case in the ACT. The ACT went into lockdown in Aug with the highest vaccination rate in the country and even with lockdown the 7 day average has stayed relatively constant with daily figures up and down over a large range - to me this shows that vaccines and lockdowns (noting we have the most compliant population in the country) are not necessarily the answer in themselves and that something else is involved but I am not sure what it is. If the NSW experience is to used we should have had a constantly decline 7 day average of infections almost from the start but we haven't. 17 again today.

**350RRC** · 18th October 2021, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by 101RRS

Inc that would probably tie in with our own experiences where those who have died having being fully vaccinated are invariably the very old and infirmed with few younger fully vaccinated dying. While there is some evidence that two doses may impart some long term protection, there is also evidence that is may not though we do know cover does drop off but not clear to what level in the longer term. So to me until these factors are known and the next generation of vaccines are introduced it would be foolish not to have a third shot as a precaution, starting with the elderly.

I agree with Tote and others that the NSW experience does seem to show vaccines are bringing down infections, as well as earlier lockdowns but this is not the case in the ACT. The ACT went into lockdown in Aug with the highest vaccination rate in the country and even with lockdown the 7 day average has stayed relatively constant with daily figures up and down over a large range - to me this shows that vaccines and lockdowns (noting we have the most compliant population in the country) are not necessarily the answer in themselves and that something else is involved but I am not sure what it is. If the NSW experience is to used we should have had a constantly decline 7 day average of infections almost from the start but we haven't. 17 again today.

Is there an actual measure of compliance? The phone movement data?

Given the high vax rate, the lack of decline in new cases suggests non-compliance with lockdown or mask wearing, etc, is the most likely cause.

DL

**101RRS** · 18th October 2021, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by 350RRC

Is there an actual measure of compliance? The phone movement data?

Given the high vax rate, the lack of decline in new cases suggests non-compliance with lockdown or mask wearing, etc, is the most likely cause.

DL

Maybe who knows but the reports all say compliance with the rules is higher than else where - the reason given is that ACT people are more intelligent and smarter than those elsewhere in the country

**incisor** · 18th October 2021, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by 101RRS

ACT people are more intelligent and smarter than those elsewhere in the country

**JDNSW** · 18th October 2021, 03:24 PM

My son has been taking his daughter in to Canberra for work - and is horrified by the poor compliance compared to what he sees in Yass! He won't even get out of the car.

**4bee** · 18th October 2021, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by 101RRS

Maybe who knows but the reports all say compliance with the rules is higher than else where - the reason given is that ACT people are more intelligent and smarter than those elsewhere in the country

Yeah roight!

**101RRS** · 18th October 2021, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by 4bee

Yeah roight!

Is true - don't you believe me

See Researchers reveal Australia’s smartest cities | Victoria University

**Arapiles** · 18th October 2021, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by 101RRS

I agree with Tote and others that the NSW experience does seem to show vaccines are bringing down infections, as well as earlier lockdowns but this is not the case in the ACT. The ACT went into lockdown in Aug with the highest vaccination rate in the country and even with lockdown the 7 day average has stayed relatively constant with daily figures up and down over a large range - to me this shows that vaccines and lockdowns (noting we have the most compliant population in the country) are not necessarily the answer in themselves and that something else is involved but I am not sure what it is. If the NSW experience is to used we should have had a constantly decline 7 day average of infections almost from the start but we haven't. 17 again today.

As the articles on the UK situation stated, vaccines aren't enough - you need to have what they're calling "vaccine plus", meaning ongoing social distancing and masks.

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