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    Climate sceptic? Met 40,000,000 thirsty people

    The Colorado River and huge wonder of the world hover dam and a 20 year drought has not in many peoples worst nightmare had a headline a little hard of ignore? Bet of course some can not only overlook it but keep rubbishing science and evidence

    40 Million People Rely on the Colorado River. It’s Drying Up Fast

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    While 1000s of people die of Covid I understand animals and humans are hoping for rain in Nevada. California, Arizona and Mexico. Population of which is in the headline for humans only.

    The logistics of Melbourne's little desalination plant to cover a few million is in contrasts starkly I think.

    When in the Military I heard a yarn about millions of people overwhelming our some what smaller ammunition supply. Suspect water wars are not stuff of science fiction overwhelming many things people consider stable and reliable.

    Excuse the gloomy post. I honesty see several very effective options to avoid a complete stuff up. As I put my money where my mouth is I wont specify those risky investment choices. Glad we do have choices

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    And at the opposite end..& closer to home. Its been bucketing down here since this article too.

    Forecast of heavy rain stirs nerves in landholders downstream of Hume Dam - ABC News
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyDiver View Post
    Excuse the gloomy post. I honesty see several very effective options to avoid a complete stuff up. As I put my money where my mouth is I wont specify those risky investment choices. Glad we do have choices
    That's it, the right infrastructure can make water use fairly efficient.

    Things as simple as a rainwater tank on houses will go a long way. In my case, my 105,000 litre rainwater tank has never been more than about 30cm from full with the exception of when a hose burst and almost all of it pumped out. I've never drawn on bore water for the house.

    In Orange near where I live they have a number of ways of catching raw water:
    • Catchments of Suma Park, Spring Creek and Gosling Creek dams, including raising of the dam wall at Suma Park for additional capacity,
    • Blackmans Swamp Creek and Ploughmans Creek stormwater harvesting - so for those in town the council prefer you to not have water tanks, just let it run off and it will be caught, filtered and treated,
    • Macquarie River to Orange Pipeline to preserve water storage at a certain threshold while the river flows, and
    • Underground water bores.


    There was a lot of pooing when it is being built for a whole lot of reasons, because of the cost and especially every time it rains, but those same people go very very quiet when we are in drought, the town is on restrictions, the water is drying up and we are relying on those systems so they have water. They will also be the first to complain the day they turn on their tap and nothing comes out.
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    Love my tank as well Slunnie. We all should if we can. Its almost odd to actually pay for water and waste water like we do for the water pipe into our houses and the sewage/waste water on the way out

    Notice FOX or the aussie equivalent has moved from ANTI anything to do with climate changes to being a "24-hour news channel to champion net zero emissions" "Rupert Murdoch’s global media empire has faced growing international condemnation and pressure from advertisers over its editorial stance on climate change, which has long cast doubt over the science behind global warming and has since 2007 attacked various federal government efforts to reduce emissions." link

    Not changing much to do with anything other than advertisers pulling money from them I would guess? Its nice to see one of the biggest and loudest climate issue belittle or obfuscation makers.

    "Sky News will support the cause which will feature across the metropolitan tabloids mastheads. The Hildebrand-led campaign will not appear in the national masthead, The Australian, they said, but the newspaper will continue to temper its editorial stance on the issue"

    A little more shift to come

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    Not sure if anyone else remembers but water tanks on suburban properties used to be banned - I was only a kid so can't remember why but both Dad and a Neighbour a few doors down had one and had them screened pretty well to avoid prying eyes - a friend of Dad's was forced to remove his back then when found out. Would love to know the reason behind this - I was too young to remember why, but I do recall them both telling us not to go telling everyone because they weren't supposed to be there.

    We moved after that to a rural property where the only water was tank water and that's what we grew up with - I still have short showers to this day as I'm sure I'll still get Dad hammering on the bathroom door telling me I've been too long - even from beyond the grave.


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    I believe the ban on urban tanks was primarily for health reasons - both the health problems likely to result from the drowned rats etc, the somewhat toxic water from ronoff from roofs and trim painted with lead based paints, and the fact that they can easily provide a breeding spot for mosquitoes.
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    LOTS of things are in play for 'Climate Change', and from the Time when Witch Doctors etc first noticed a regular pattern in the natural world, - they've used/abused such knowledge to elevate THEIR position in the Tribe... You must admit, that "calling back the Sun" at the end of an eclipse.... is pretty powerfu ju-ju. ! Keep that in the back of the mind when wading through a sea of ... confounders. ie, :-

    Why an ice age occurs every 100,000 years: Climate and feedback effects explained -- ScienceDaily Regularity of Ice Ages.

    and..... In Ancient Rocks, Scientists See a Climate Cycle Working Across Deep Time - The Fourth Extinction


    Three factors illustrated Milankovitch Cycles and Glaciation

    And the Earth belching...... How Volcanoes Influence Climate | UCAR Center for Science Education

    Apparantly cuts both ways.... Climate Change Causes Increased Volcanism | Live Science - That one is devious, LOTs of Rabbit - holes to distract and waste your evening !!!!


    Some graphical stuff for those who like pictures... Hard to imagine a thriving viticulture in the North of England... Or ice so thick and strong on the Thames... enough to safely support tempory 'towns'.

    Yes, properly managed rainwater tanks on ALL (large enough) houses would make a difference in getting suburban Australia through the dry times. Perhaps a rebate of sorts oln AUSTRALIAN made tanks, help to move the shattered economy along. ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJay View Post
    And at the opposite end..& closer to home. Its been bucketing down here since this article too.

    Forecast of heavy rain stirs nerves in landholders downstream of Hume Dam - ABC News
    You know the tragedy of this story .. is not the repeated nature of it .. it's that in the next 10 years 'people' will forget what happened just prior to this event!

    That is, the hume weir was at something like 10% capacity and the news stories for the mindless masses being told were of doom and gloom and fairytales of death and destruction going forward, due to the lack of water from this point onwards.

    I'd really love to know what is it about the here and now, that nullifies the memory of the past.

    Maybe it's due to some psychological condition in the majority that catalogued historical event are some kind of conspiratorial agenda or something, and hence not to be trusted?

    This country (and in others) has experienced much worse floods and droughts at some point, than we have in this post doom and gloom era of climate change.
    The difference is that we personally may have experienced this era of wet and dry spells, and what happened in the past happened to others(ie. not us!).
    it's only the here and now that seems to be the important factor.

    These stories of 'millions going thirsty' is nothing but a sensationalist grab for attention by biased parties .. nothing more and little else.
    I'll bet my last dime that the people noting this current situation(usually some illiterate journalist) have biases for the doom and gloom scenario of a warming globe.
    I'm 99.9% confident that they haven't looked into the water supply demand upstream of the rivers before claiming drops in flow levels and capacity levels.

    In this country(that I really concern myself with) it is a fact .. verifiable fact, not from these biased illiterate journalists .. that global warming is leading to a wettening of the entire country(as an average). Some parts will become dryer, most areas are becoming wetter. This info comes directly from the raw data provided by the Beauro of Met. You only need to see this data for yourself.
    I have read of similar analysis of Africa too. I can imagine that on the whole, the US will be in a similar situation.
    It's happened before, and the reasons for this phenomenon makes good sense.

    So these headlines of millions going thirsty are not due to climate change! Just as in this country .. 99.99999% of it are due to gross mismanagement of the water resources as the infrastructure was intended to provide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    I believe the ban on urban tanks was primarily for health reasons - both the health problems likely to result from the drowned rats etc, the somewhat toxic water from ronoff from roofs and trim painted with lead based paints, and the fact that they can easily provide a breeding spot for mosquitoes.
    Down here it was to protect the creeks and runoffs from drying out.
    They also wanted to put meters on everyone’s tanks too.
    They almost got lynched over that one, and were promptly run out of town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK83 View Post
    You know the tragedy of this story .. is not the repeated nature of it .. it's that in the next 10 years 'people' will forget what happened just prior to this event!

    That is, the hume weir was at something like 10% capacity and the news stories for the mindless masses being told were of doom and gloom and fairytales of death and destruction going forward, due to the lack of water from this point onwards.

    I'd really love to know what is it about the here and now, that nullifies the memory of the past.

    Maybe it's due to some psychological condition in the majority that catalogued historical event are some kind of conspiratorial agenda or something, and hence not to be trusted?

    This country (and in others) has experienced much worse floods and droughts at some point, than we have in this post doom and gloom era of climate change.
    The difference is that we personally may have experienced this era of wet and dry spells, and what happened in the past happened to others(ie. not us!).
    it's only the here and now that seems to be the important factor.

    These stories of 'millions going thirsty' is nothing but a sensationalist grab for attention by biased parties .. nothing more and little else.
    I'll bet my last dime that the people noting this current situation(usually some illiterate journalist) have biases for the doom and gloom scenario of a warming globe.
    I'm 99.9% confident that they haven't looked into the water supply demand upstream of the rivers before claiming drops in flow levels and capacity levels.

    In this country(that I really concern myself with) it is a fact .. verifiable fact, not from these biased illiterate journalists .. that global warming is leading to a wettening of the entire country(as an average). Some parts will become dryer, most areas are becoming wetter. This info comes directly from the raw data provided by the Beauro of Met. You only need to see this data for yourself.
    I have read of similar analysis of Africa too. I can imagine that on the whole, the US will be in a similar situation.
    It's happened before, and the reasons for this phenomenon makes good sense.

    So these headlines of millions going thirsty are not due to climate change! Just as in this country .. 99.99999% of it are due to gross mismanagement of the water resources as the infrastructure was intended to provide.
    No argument at all with most of you thoughts. Fully agree the headline is sensationalist in several ways- it is clear wetter wet and drier dry's and simply more extremes al every level which has impacts on places which may have the capacity to move enough water or make it like our little Desalination plants Vic. Suspect also the largely coastal habitat we almost all live in Australia may have a little better outcome than non coastal areas 100s + km from the oceans. My theory only.

    It is not the same as prior events more than a few of us recall. Bush fires, droughts and floods and everything in between we have all seen. The scale and impacts is probably not the same as past events and we are highly likely to see much worse.


    Population and water is and always will be a management issue.

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