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    Consequences of buying an EV

    Interesting tv on some of the consequences of buying an EV.

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    Yes, I have eluded to this in other posts regarding lithium batteries around the forum before. Last reports I read also seem to indicate child labor to get that cobalt out. Personally, I agree with doing something about the planet, do not get me wrong, but lithium only has a place in my phone or laptop at most!

    Glad the information is finally getting out though Not that anything will change most likely...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudfan View Post
    Interesting tv on some of the consequences of buying an EV.

    Its a rough place. A Doc I know well spent a few years working there. Oddly any of our cars have Magnesium almost all of which comes out of China and due to significant power issues a huge deficit of magnesium is likley to impact on car manufactures all over the world in the next few weeks
    China says the West should respect its 'own pace' as Europe and US face magnesium supply crisis

    A magnesium shortage could have widespread impacts across autos, aerospace, iron or steel, chemicals, beer and soft drinks, and consumer goods.
    Morgan Stanley analysts noted that many lightweight alloys relied on magnesium.
    "Magnesium's light weight and strengthening properties make it essential for aluminium alloys (eg sheet used in autos, beverage cans)," they wrote.
    "It is also used for die-casting auto parts, as a desulphurising agent in steel, to make ductile iron, in chemicals and more." link add in computer chip issues and its a bit of a mess plus.

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    Anyone telling you they are buying an EV to ensure a better future for their children would need to have a look at the birth defects among the local children. I watched this from the point of view of being a parent and it was a sobering look. Then are other issues raised but being a parent that really hit home.

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    Fully agree mining practices and abuse in DRC needs fixing and accountablity.

    The costs from air pollution are sadly easy to count making our cars a known health hazard via several carcinogenic and cancer causing exhaust fumes of course. Even here in OZ.

    I just a read an article on Simon Holmes a Court in the paper today. My battery gent IT Business and battery guru name was unsurprisingly linked in. Given its a climate/political party I'll leave the links to the political disruption party in the article in Current affairs.


    I am just finishing an emailing Mr Hackett (My Battery guru) re his batteries yesterdays saving my and other bacon and allowing hundreds of vaccination while others were shut down here. Rather smug that I didn't wait for the other big name battery brand for a number of reasons. Pretty sure he will like the feed back. One is I can change the system to allow me to over come issues the inflexibility of another battery type would not allow. My multiple laser printers are a 20,000w start up P.I.T.A. I was able to overcome with the flexibility and control a lithium type would not have given me.
    Vaccines have some problems/side effects/limitations, EV batteries do as well in range, recahrge times and wieght capacity. My cool D3 has a few benifits and side effects as well of course. It would be disengenous to ingnor the side effects/issues off any of our options or choices.

    Have a great weekend all. Coffee in a cup for me while beating up PRODA/Medical Software integration on my week end to do list. Inflexablity assured with Medicare/Government Online services Nice idea just removed the good bits to force another slower way D.O.H.

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    For those worried about EV vs ICE cars.....I'm thinking of replacing my EV with a petrol car. Can I refuel it at home? (thedriven.io)

    1. I have heard that petrol cars can not refuel at home while you sleep? How often do you have to refill elsewhere? Is this several times a year? Will there be a solution for refueling at home?

    2. Which parts will I need service on and how often? The car salesman mentioned a box with gears in it. What is this and will I receive a warning with an indicator when I need to change gear?

    3. Can I accelerate and brake with one pedal as I do today with my electric car?
    4. Do I get fuel back when I slow down or drive downhill? I assume so, but need to ask to be sure.
    5. The car I test drove seemed to have a delay from the time I pressed the accelerator pedal until it began to accelerate. Is that normal in petrol cars?
    6. We currently pay about 1.2p per mile to drive our electric car. I have heard that petrol can cost up to 10 times as much so I reckon we will lose some money in the beginning. We drive about 20,000 miles a year. Letís hope more people will start using petrol so prices go down.
    7. Is it true that petrol is flammable? Should I empty the tank and store the petrol somewhere else while the car is in the garage?
    8. Is there an automatic system to prevent gasoline from catching fire or exploding in an accident. What does this cost?
    9. I understand that the main ingredient in petrol is oil. Is it true that the extraction and refining of oil causes environmental problems as well as conflicts and major wars that over the last 100 years have cost millions of lives? Is there a solution to these problems?



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    Good points well made. No system is perfect.
    Look at the rivers that have been damned out of existence. The huge man made lakes behind them that have covered swathes of country and displaced people. Countrys below the dams not to happy with the countries above them cutting off the water. All to generate electricity,
    The Ethiopians have been talking of dammming the Nile in their country. The Egyptians say it is their river and have threatened war over it.

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    Plenty of Cobalt left around Broken Hill , it didnt have much use in the Hills' heyday. Now there are few small operations mining it....plus a few other minerals that CRA ,South and North didn't want to bother with then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDLOVER View Post
    For those worried about EV vs ICE cars.....I'm thinking of replacing my EV with a petrol car. Can I refuel it at home? (thedriven.io)

    1. I have heard that petrol cars can not refuel at home while you sleep? How often do you have to refill elsewhere? Is this several times a year? Will there be a solution for refueling at home?

    2. Which parts will I need service on and how often? The car salesman mentioned a box with gears in it. What is this and will I receive a warning with an indicator when I need to change gear?

    3. Can I accelerate and brake with one pedal as I do today with my electric car?
    4. Do I get fuel back when I slow down or drive downhill? I assume so, but need to ask to be sure.
    5. The car I test drove seemed to have a delay from the time I pressed the accelerator pedal until it began to accelerate. Is that normal in petrol cars?
    6. We currently pay about 1.2p per mile to drive our electric car. I have heard that petrol can cost up to 10 times as much so I reckon we will lose some money in the beginning. We drive about 20,000 miles a year. Letís hope more people will start using petrol so prices go down.
    7. Is it true that petrol is flammable? Should I empty the tank and store the petrol somewhere else while the car is in the garage?
    8. Is there an automatic system to prevent gasoline from catching fire or exploding in an accident. What does this cost?
    9. I understand that the main ingredient in petrol is oil. Is it true that the extraction and refining of oil causes environmental problems as well as conflicts and major wars that over the last 100 years have cost millions of lives? Is there a solution to these problems?

    That's a funny 'spin' on the situation a bit like the reply from General Motors to the comment by Bill Gates many years back GM replies to Bill Gates

    I've never been an early adopter and at the moment there isn't an electric vehicle that meets my needs.

    If you really want a 'green' vehicle lets go back to making them a 'durable' rather than a 'consumable'. Oh, hang on , I'm running old Land Rovers.....


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