Thread: Have A Question About Storm Water Pipes

Originally Posted by austastar

Hi,
What! You mean " 'as drawn' <> 'as constructed' "???
What is the world coming to.
Cheers

I think I mentioned earlier in the thread re: checking the "As Con" plans in council. Best and probably cheapest way of getting some clarity on the issue.

From BCC.

Stormwater drainage infrastructure may be located in the street, on private property or in dedicated drainage easements.
To purchase a copy of an as-constructed stormwater drainage plan, visit Council or phone Council on 07 3403 8888 and request to speak to the Plan Custodian.
If you only want a specific section or specific plans from a plan set, you may view plans at the Plan Custodian counter. Selected copies may then be purchased. Phone Council on 07 3403 8888 for information on the location of the Plan Custodian customer service counter.
Copies of roofwater drainage plans

Private roofwater drainage infrastructure (downpipes, grated inlets, underground roofwater pipes, basement stormwater pump-out systems) for dwelling houses and commercial or multi-dwellings which is located within the private property may be shown on the drainage plans (dwelling houses) and is usually shown on as-constructed hydraulic plans (commercial or multi-dwellings). Find information on how to obtain drainage plans and as-constructed hydraulic plans.

Originally Posted by Saitch

I think I mentioned earlier in the thread re: checking the "As Con" plans in council. Best and probably cheapest way of getting some clarity on the issue.

From BCC.

Stormwater drainage infrastructure may be located in the street, on private property or in dedicated drainage easements.
To purchase a copy of an as-constructed stormwater drainage plan, visit Council or phone Council on 07 3403 8888 and request to speak to the Plan Custodian.
If you only want a specific section or specific plans from a plan set, you may view plans at the Plan Custodian counter. Selected copies may then be purchased. Phone Council on 07 3403 8888 for information on the location of the Plan Custodian customer service counter.
Copies of roofwater drainage plans

Private roofwater drainage infrastructure (downpipes, grated inlets, underground roofwater pipes, basement stormwater pump-out systems) for dwelling houses and commercial or multi-dwellings which is located within the private property may be shown on the drainage plans (dwelling houses) and is usually shown on as-constructed hydraulic plans (commercial or multi-dwellings). Find information on how to obtain drainage plans and as-constructed hydraulic plans.

Few years ago I contacted DBYD before relocating our drive way & installing wall & also our own Pool, that was a waist of time & money , nothing was where they said it was & no drains were shown on what they sent me, also contacted council about where the drains from our down pipes ran & they did not know . Over the past 30+ years i sort of know where they run & have added a couple of extra drains to get rid of water entering from next door . It would seam the Council has no drainage plans for drainage from down pipes to street .

OP
Just so we are clear Ian summary #28 is accurate ?
From my reading that seems the case?

On your sat picture where do the storm to street outlets drain? On the corner your side of next door neighbours drive?

Neighbourly wranglings are the pits
When the “pool guy” does nothing AND
If you get on well with your direct neighbour

I think I would go like this:

Grab a few beers and your neighbour and a hose and fill his gutters - see where they drain to street.

Find a local plumber - you pay him/ her to scope the other outlet and find the location of the broken pipe and mark it on the ground.

Considering the fall in the street it can only be as deep as the discharge point - so unless the break is on your neighbours property line with pool guy digging down won’t be too difficult

Expose the pipe over a few beers.


Now the fun part - get your plumber to write up a quote including scoping - repair and filling hole.
Present this to the neighbour and mention if he doesn’t pay in 7 days his drain pipe will be capped and hole refilled.

Should get a response

Originally Posted by roverrescue

OP
Just so we are clear Ian summary #28 is accurate ?
From my reading that seems the case?

On your sat picture where do the storm to street outlets drain? On the corner your side of next door neighbours drive?

Neighbourly wranglings are the pits
When the “pool guy” does nothing AND
If you get on well with your direct neighbour

I think I would go like this:

Grab a few beers and your neighbour and a hose and fill his gutters - see where they drain to street.

Find a local plumber - you pay him/ her to scope the other outlet and find the location of the broken pipe and mark it on the ground.

Considering the fall in the street it can only be as deep as the discharge point - so unless the break is on your neighbours property line with pool guy digging down won’t be too difficult

Expose the pipe over a few beers.


Now the fun part - get your plumber to write up a quote including scoping - repair and filling hole.
Present this to the neighbour and mention if he doesn’t pay in 7 days his drain pipe will be capped and hole refilled.

Should get a response

Inkedstreet view_LI1 (4).jpg This is how i believe the pipes run . Red circle on front of house is pool , pipe runs from corner of house to join other pipes from the house , then across neighbours back yard down the side of the property into the street gutter. The arrowed dot is where it runs through the retaining wall. 20211111_145113 Water through wall.mp4 Not sure if the Video of water running through wall during light shower is going to work & this also happens when garden hose is put down the pool owners down pipe. A few things are not going to happen , 1/ I don't drink so no beer 2/ I am almost 72 so no digging 3/ His attitude is that I should have to pay for everything even though the pipes are not in our property. I will just wait for the Council , if he dose not come up with a solution by the 2nd of Dec he could be getting a fine. Seams the Video worked , when we have heavy rain this water flow is like a water fall & the water then runs from our property over to the people behind us. Also from the video you will see the water only runs through the wall in that point & no where else along the wall.

What a palaver

Without trying to be too negative
Whilst the pool guys storm is leaving his property underground I can see why he doesn’t care too much - once you block off the storm and it backs up to his place I’m sure he will be more forth coming to repair…
I’m guessing without formal easement over your neighbours property there will be legal wranglings irrespective of a council warning!!!


I fear for your direct neighbours gardens on your shared fence line! Is now the chance however to not only make repair to the storm line but also improve drainage behind your wall? What is the wall constructed of ?

Drainage is such a bear

S

Our house and pool are lower than the street in front off us.

Our storm and pool water was run through the yard of the house behind us……at a guess and 20-30 years ago amd probably an agreement between builders (maybe the owners) at the time.

Fast forward to a few years ago….when we went to back flush the pool we had issues it would pump to the street infront of the house behind us…..so I purchase a length of lay flat house and rolled out out to our street each time I needed to back flush

This year…I figured I need to sort the back flush as the renters won’t be happy rolling out lay flat hose. So I shove a hose down the old piping and the water was no getting away, scratched my head as I could find where it was discharging….decided to ignore it thinking I may have got it wrong a few years ago…than I notice the yard behind us was much greener than everybody else. I than spotted my storm and pool water was coming out a a pipe in retaining wall….

A knock on the door he said they unearth some pipes twice during Reno’s and landscaping and didn’t understand where they come from. They blocked it off one than second time left open pipe as part of retaining wall.

After a quick discussion the neighbor and I agreed to me paying for the pipes to be re-connected.

I suspect if council get involved it’ll become very costly for somebody. Glad ours was resolved quickly amd only cost me a few hundred dollars.

Originally Posted by roverrescue

What a palaver

Without trying to be too negative
Whilst the pool guys storm is leaving his property underground I can see why he doesn’t care too much - once you block off the storm and it backs up to his place I’m sure he will be more forth coming to repair…
I’m guessing without formal easement over your neighbours property there will be legal wranglings irrespective of a council warning!!!


I fear for your direct neighbours gardens on your shared fence line! Is now the chance however to not only make repair to the storm line but also improve drainage behind your wall? What is the wall constructed of ?

Drainage is such a bear

S

Wall is hard wood sleepers . There is no where to block the drain as where it is in the gutter in the street no water runs out of it when the garden hose is put into the down pipe just runs out the wall . It could well be the pipe could be connected into the next door neighbours drain but this means there are two house roof's water going into one 90mm drain , that is a lot of water for one small drain . We have 4 X 90mm pipes running out to the street& even that it finds it hard to cope in a big storm.

Originally Posted by 1950landy

Also from the video you will see the water only runs through the wall in that point & no where else along the wall.

A good thing the water is running clear, no dirt or silt build up on your side. Mud flow is worse than water flow...