Thread: Owner report on long BEV trip

Originally Posted by 3toes

If the UK is an indicator it will take time for the EV to be accepted into the market by both the retailers and the consumers. As noted here the charging network and the time taken to charge are both an issue with the current product on the market. This is consistent no matter what brand you purchase. Probably over simplifying it but bigger range requires a bigger battery. Bigger battery requires a bigger vehicle. Bigger battery and vehicle means a lot more weight and so the range is not increased by the size increase in the battery

Then there is the value of the EV on the second hand market. This is a great unknown as the values seen at auction swing massively. This can make obtaining finance more difficult or expensive as the lender has to value the vehicle for their risk reporting. Have seen price differentials on one model of 15k in a month on similar used vehicles. Anything with 'high' mileage for a used EV which are doing a lot less miles than ICE is virtually unsaleable as people do not want to take what they see as a chance on a 'high' mileage vehicle. Also the demand for used EV is well out of kilter with supply making it a buyers market so they can afford to be very choosy in what they will even look at. Add in to this mix that it is an evolving technology and some EV vehicles are looking very old very quickly

Your right yet wrong. my silly one 42 kWh battery is being replaced in the same base car with a updated top and battery options of "The Standard Range (320km, up 57km on the current car) with 51kWh energy content, and the Long Range (440km) with 72kWh." All fit in the same frame of my one. It would be a bit heavier!! Noting very strong cross winds in the Western Districts (VIC) last night made my little one move about a lot more than I appreciate.

They all can charge at 70kWh IF only charging facilities exist

What is MUCH better is what is coming via solid state. GM is apparently jumping all in with that via buying out right a company that was called " Solid Energy Systems" and also "GM also holds almost 100 patents (49 granted and 45 pending) of its own in lithium-metal technology and it was an early investor in SES. The new SES partnership is expected to yield a pre-production version of the new lithium-metal EV battery by 2023." link

Always waiting The much smaller, much lighter, much more energy dense and almost unlimited charge rates of Solid State batteries is in a significant race right now. Quatumscape (VW) made me a motza of money its its very Over Hyped listing. ( NOT INVESTMENT ADVICE!!!) I sold all of it promise.

Originally Posted by PhilipA

Will not early EVs with limited range also become stranded assets?

Nissan Leafs are worth very little, and not as much as their battery.

BTW I note that only 850 people in NSW have ordered EVs even with the NSW Government subsidy of $3000 on the first 25000 sold and stamp duty exemption.

So as EVs get better range (if the mainstream ones do) then will not the older ones become devalued?
Also there is nothing worth less in the States than a Tesla with a dud battery.
Regards PhilipA

No, the stranded assets we're talking about are carbon-heavy projects - like coal mines or coal-fired power stations - that cost billions of dollars to build and that will take, typically, 30 years to pay off or become profitable but by that time will be redundant. In point of fact, at present most coal mines are unbankable - which means, for those who don't do projects work for banks, that when the analysts do the numbers the projects in question would never be able to repay the money lent to built them. So, they don't get funded by the banks.

An old, used EV car is no more a stranded asset than an old Torana. Or is it your contention that ICE cars always maintain their value?

A Company called Moke International acquired the rights to the Mini Moke in 2015, they have an EV version of the Mini Moke. The new electric model will sell in the UK for Stg Pounds 29,150 or about A $53, 800. If you think that is crook, how about the Electric E Type. Yours for Stg Pounds 300,000 or A $ 550,000.


From the Historic vehicles website.

Why Australian heavy trucks are the way they are - Historic Vehicles

Originally Posted by bob10

A Company called Moke International acquired the rights to the Mini Moke in 2015, they have an EV version of the Mini Moke. The new electric model will sell in the UK for Stg Pounds 29,150 or about A $53, 800. If you think that is crook, how about the Electric E Type. Yours for Stg Pounds 300,000 or A $ 550,000.


From the Historic vehicles website.

Why Australian heavy trucks are the way they are - Historic Vehicles

Long range dreaming for me alas. I did make it thankfully

Cut and paste from a almost whinge from me

Been running Melb- Port Fairy weekly in my MG. Chemo Express for my mum.

Car is being very consistent. I can just make 210km with hvac off. Yesterday the Fully charge from Port Fairy
Port Fairy
Head north on Albert St/Princes Hwy/A1 towards Regent St
Continue to follow Princes Hwy/A1
17.4 km
Turn left onto Southern Cross Rd/C177
1.4 km
Turn right onto Tower Hill Rd
5.6 km
Turn right onto Caramut Rd/C174
49 m
Turn left at the 1st cross street onto Bridge Rd
4.0 km
Turn left onto Hopkins Hwy/B120
14.6 km
Turn right onto Framlingham Rd
5.3 km
Continue onto High St
850 m
Turn left onto Ellerslie-Panmure Rd
1.9 km
Continue straight onto Terang-Framlingham Rd
2.6 km
Turn right to stay on Terang-Framlingham Rd
14.5 km
Turn right to stay on Terang-Framlingham Rd
1.3 km
Continue onto Baynes St
900 m
At the roundabout, continue straight to stay on Baynes St
850 m
Turn right onto Terang-Mortlake Rd/C156
66 m
Turn left onto High St/Princes Hwy/A1
Continue to follow Princes Hwy/A1
71.0 km
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto M1
8.6 km
Turn right onto Warncoort-Birregurra Rd/C152
Continue to follow C152
8.8 km
Turn left onto Cape Otway Rd
30.1 km
Turn right onto Layard Rd
2.6 km
Turn left onto Nobles Rd
400 m
Turn right onto Larcombes Rd
2.6 km
Turn right onto Hendy Main Rd/C135
11.1 km
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto Coombes Rd
4.7 km
Turn right onto Surf Coast Hwy/B100
2.1 km
Torquay, Victoria 3228

The car was 0% on arrival in Torquay. I only charge to 80% to get me home to Melbourne Charge fox invoice "Charging for 42mins, 34.47kWh @ $0.40/kWh"
The night before the car showed 100% but was at 0% at Warrnambool 28 km short of Port Fairy. Lights would be on High Beam as needed for a night drive at 100kph. That's about 180km only! Charge fox invoice "Charging for 42mins, 34.47kWh @ $0.40/kWh" It was not 0% when I started that charge!

New High rate charges option make it much easier now. Monday Nights run needed an hour on a 7kWh charge in Warrnambool to get me the last bit! Frustrating hour at 1am.

The short hop from Melb to Torquay or Ballarat super chargers is making it just possible to leave the Landrover at home. I think/assume the The range is always "an extrapolated average. That means that the computer's range prediction is derived from translating the remaining battery charge into kilometres, based on the remaining charge as a percentage of the total battery capacity and how long the vehicle has travelled so far on that charge."https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/d ... ge-119044/

The Algorithms used by MG are clearly not allowing for long 100kph trips. I suspect its 60 ish. To make the close to Zero monday night run I did the last 80km at 80kph. It clearly reduced the rate of range loss the car showed compared to the distance to the destination shown.

Not grumpy about it but need to be aware of it. I met a cool Tesla drive who was waiting for the Warrnambool charger the week before had driven from Newcastle NSW. Loved the Efficency you are getting. If it was possible to see that on 100kph for 200+ km we might get 330 ish range

Have a great Xmas all

It worked JUST

Some things I have noticed with my limited investigations into BEV cars.
1. They all seem very small.
2. They would not get me from Doomadgee to Cloncurry, the couple that would leave no safety margin.
3. They seem bloody expensive.
4. They weigh as much as a mid/large 4WD.
5. None tell you the range in 40 odd degree heat, A/C blasting, towing 2 ton trailer, SWMBO & 5 kids on board.
6. How much does the battery degrade?
7. Why should I stop for an hour to recharge between D & C when I can drive straight through on half a tank in the Prado or 3/4 in the D2?

I think BEV cars have a way to go before they are going to be useful anywhere but the East Coast.
Jonesfam
PS And they all look useless off the tarmac!