Made in U.K vs made in China

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Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

*The fact are not generalizations, if you research this outside of your dealing with one factory in China you will see this.
*It is simply western businesses, Companies that take advantage of the situation with regards to the controlling Government in China to maximize their own profits.
*Why does the company you represent or work for get product/s made in China?
*I'm sure working and living conditions on display look very rosy for the western visitor to the factory, the same goes for the customer support.
*Doesnt look so good for the rural population or other ethnic minorities in China though.

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I also forgot to mention that the company o work for also has a very robust Country of Origin, Modern Slavery policy which has to be registered with the federal government to to size of company, turn over I think.

Why purchase from China…why not.

We started with a Melbourne based company, there is only one manufacturer in Aus making the equipment from scratch.……the price nearly doubled in price and they were not willing to work with us on changes to the design that better suited out application.

Plus…….we have to stay competitive in the market, i.e. against the the raw materials that are imported.

I fully suspect everybody jumping on tie China bandwagon is pro anal y typing on a device that has China made components.

Its pretty "rich" of the Australian government bang on about slave labour when they are actively importing overseas labour to do the ****ty low paid work on farms.[bigwhistle]

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Originally Posted by trout1105

Its pretty "rich" of the Australian government bang on about slave labour when they are actively importing overseas labour to do the ****ty low paid work on farms.[bigwhistle]

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Agreed, plus the fact that everyone complains about things made in China, but most are not prepared to pay the higher costs of locally made goods.

One shouldn’t under-estimate the quality available from Chinese manufacturers, but again its just that people aren’t prepared to pay for it.

Cheers,
Jon

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Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

Thats about the funniest analogy I've read in a long time. "loosely assembled pile of parts"
[tonguewink]

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Isn't this the way all Helicopters begin life ?

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Originally Posted by BradC

I often feel like the D3 I have is a loosely assembled pile of parts which works more by accident than design and if someone had just managed to ensure they were arranged appropriately things would be at bit more deterministic. Then again, that sums up most British cars I've ever worked on.

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:Rolling:

I am just glad there are some vehicle manufacturers that do a slightly better job......[bighmmm][biggrin]

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Originally Posted by W&KO

I also forgot to mention that the company o work for also has a very robust Country of Origin, Modern Slavery policy which has to be registered with the federal government to to size of company, turn over I think.

Why purchase from China…why not.

We started with a Melbourne based company, there is only one manufacturer in Aus making the equipment from scratch.……the price nearly doubled in price and they were not willing to work with us on changes to the design that better suited out application.

Plus…….we have to stay competitive in the market, i.e. against the the raw materials that are imported.

I fully suspect everybody jumping on tie China bandwagon is pro anal y typing on a device that has China made components.

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Western companies have a long history of "robust" vigorous anti slavery policies that are based on looking the other way, asking no questions or out right opposing any bills/laws that make them accountable with regards to their supply chain.

Why not? human rights issues against minority and religious groups, against the average chinese worker both their living and working conditions. Their really is a lot to be educated in with regards to how the masses are forced to live in China.

So double the cost of manufacture is the price on human misery and suffering? It must be a very specialised product if only one manufacturer is Australia is able to make it. But then again we dont even make cars in Australia.

If by "china bandwagon" you mean anti-china bandwagon? No, this is not the case but often these conversations turn to "oh your anti-china, your racist" not the case at all, anti-china Government, yes. anti ccp yes due to the oppression against the chinese people.

It seems perfectly acceptable to trade on human suffering and for trade to be weaponised.
Ya just dont see these sorts of actions coming from the U.K, hence why I am a big supporter of the upcoming free trade agreement with the U.K

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Originally Posted by jon3950

Agreed, plus the fact that everyone complains about things made in China, but most are not prepared to pay the higher costs of locally made goods.

One shouldn’t under-estimate the quality available from Chinese manufacturers, but again its just that people aren’t prepared to pay for it.

Cheers,
Jon

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Yes people do complain about made in china but what is also true, the average consumer will complain about some function of their phone not working, doesnt last long and is so expensive while having a latte with friends. Their life is so hard.

There is also apathy in consumers and retailers, walk into a retailer and ask for a particular product and say preferred one not made in china and most reply with "its all made in china mate" yet my local plumbing supplier when asked was more than willing to go through what products they had and where they were made. Ended up with a replacement tap for the kitchen that was made in Italy, was one of their best selling products and has a 10 year warranty (oh and wasnt double the price of a chinese made one from Bunnings).

I'm looking to air con my workshop, I'm expecting to pay more, prolly double for a U.S or Australian made one.
Installing another hoist and again looking at U.S or Germany for a far better quality product and also to replace my current hoist that while from a Aussie company is made in china and its a sub standard product.

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Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

Yes people do complain about made in china but what is also true, the average consumer will complain about some function of their phone not working, doesnt last long and is so expensive while having a latte with friends. Their life is so hard.

There is also apathy in consumers and retailers, walk into a retailer and ask for a particular product and say preferred one not made in china and most reply with "its all made in china mate" yet my local plumbing supplier when asked was more than willing to go through what products they had and where they were made. Ended up with a replacement tap for the kitchen that was made in Italy, was one of their best selling products and has a 10 year warranty (oh and wasnt double the price of a chinese made one from Bunnings).

I'm looking to air con my workshop, I'm expecting to pay more, prolly double for a U.S or Australian made one.
Installing another hoist and again looking at U.S or Germany for a far better quality product and also to replace my current hoist that while from a Aussie company is made in china and its a sub standard product.

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Re Flaking paint.

Seems there is nothing new in the whole wide world. I had a Pressed Metal assembled 109" to restore a few years ago(25327731 D) Chassis Paint & seat rails were black. The paint lifted off as soon as you looked at them No Prep whatsoever, paint straight onto Mill Scale. [bigsad] LR were guilty of this crap back in '67-ish. It doesn't mean that aussie assembled vehicles should drop LR's standard & spec but it seems they did.

Edit. Should have said they may in fact have been LR supplied parts out of a packing case with all the other knockdown bits not necessarily PM parts.

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Originally Posted by superquag

Isn't this the way all Helicopters begin life ?

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Some even finish their life as such after they have dropped out of the sky for one reason or another.

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Thats about the funniest analogy I've read in a long time. "loosely assembled pile of parts"

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Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

Western companies have a long history of "robust" vigorous anti slavery policies that are based on looking the other way, asking no questions or out right opposing any bills/laws that make them accountable with regards to their supply chain.

Why not? human rights issues against minority and religious groups, against the average chinese worker both their living and working conditions. Their really is a lot to be educated in with regards to how the masses are forced to live in China.

So double the cost of manufacture is the price on human misery and suffering? It must be a very specialised product if only one manufacturer is Australia is able to make it. But then again we dont even make cars in Australia.

If by "china bandwagon" you mean anti-china bandwagon? No, this is not the case but often these conversations turn to "oh your anti-china, your racist" not the case at all, anti-china Government, yes. anti ccp yes due to the oppression against the chinese people.

It seems perfectly acceptable to trade on human suffering and for trade to be weaponised.
Ya just dont see these sorts of actions coming from the U.K, hence why I am a big supporter of the upcoming free trade agreement with the U.K

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I think I’ll give up, you tar every Chinese company with the same brush and now every western company…….

Yet you didn’t return your Chinese made part!!!!! Based on your comments are you not part of the problem given you claim no company globally is doing the right thing??

An example……A few months ago we ordered steel through a WA company. Now this steel isn’t stock anywhere in the world, we have to book a manufacture slot with a mill, it’s made to order. We were given the option of two mills, I believe both mills were investigated under our modern slavery policy based on origin. Both got the tick in the box and we went with the mill with best lead time……but I guess you’ll still question companies at least having a go.