Thread: Made in U.K vs made in China

Originally Posted by 350RRC

So they use labour hire companies like some farmers and other enterprises in oz?

Like I said, I don’t get into the running of their business
All I get is a bit a broken English about the employees situation
Ask no questions, get told no lies, keep the customers happy, keep my family fed

Originally Posted by 350RRC

So they use labour hire companies like some farmers and other enterprises in oz?

Their are labour hires companies and then their are "labour hire" companies, the ABC's Landline did a story on the subject.

Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

I cant remember nor can I give an example of a part made in the U.K that was poor or sub standard, except for a whole Land Rover

That's more an assembly level issue rather than component.

Always reminds me of Fawlty Towers : "Ah, yes, Mr. O'Reilly. Well, it's quite simple. When I asked you to build me a wall, I was rather thinking that instead of just dumping the bricks down in a pile, you might find time to cement them together one on top of the other in the traditional fashion."

I often feel like the D3 I have is a loosely assembled pile of parts which works more by accident than design and if someone had just managed to ensure they were arranged appropriately things would be at bit more deterministic. Then again, that sums up most British cars I've ever worked on.

A WA company I love got a high pressure reactor "Quality assurance and non-destructive testing activities carried out over the last 48 hours have yesterday confirmed the presence of the manufacturing flaw and identified further areas of concern. As a result of the flaw identified, the reactor shell has been deemed unsuitable and will require remedial manufacturing actions before it can be certified and accepted for dispatch"

Not sure yet if the payment is partly or fully dependent on delivery to spec, I assume the Chinese company is working to ensure thier own reputation is not trashed by failing to deliver.

My "quirky" EV is chinese build MG. The poms lost that one! Happily I haven't rattled it to bits yet The gear box did fall out of a Russian ute I had for a bit That said , I replaced a gear box in my prior D3 and a engine in the current one.

I recall a very early 1980s Taiwan made glass lined thermos which was not a good idea for a school kids lunch! Now almost all high tech computer chips are from Taiwan Ying and Yang I guess.

Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

Absolutely, I do this when shopping for groceries and ordering parts.
It's not "china" per say but the CCP. As I've stated many times, the average working class joe china is no different to you or me. Except their freedom and rights are lower, even by Australian standards.

Not that I want to go down that path in this thread, it might be considered political (unlike the winter Olympics right?)

Completely agree. Sadly, the average Joe has little say under the CCP regime.

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

A WA company I love got a high pressure reactor "Quality assurance and non-destructive testing activities carried out over the last 48 hours have yesterday confirmed the presence of the manufacturing flaw and identified further areas of concern. As a result of the flaw identified, the reactor shell has been deemed unsuitable and will require remedial manufacturing actions before it can be certified and accepted for dispatch"

Not sure yet if the payment is partly or fully dependent on delivery to spec, I assume the Chinese company is working to ensure thier own reputation is not trashed by failing to deliver.

My "quirky" EV is chinese build MG. The poms lost that one! Happily I haven't rattled it to bits yet The gear box did fall out of a Russian ute I had for a bit That said , I replaced a gear box in my prior D3 and a engine in the current one.

I recall a very early 1980s Taiwan made glass lined thermos which was not a good idea for a school kids lunch! Now almost all high tech computer chips are from Taiwan Ying and Yang I guess.

Few years ago a Brisbane based RHS & SHS steel manufacturing company when setting up to Galv there own product contracted a Canadian Co to supply the plant , when it arrived it was poorly made with welds & parts missing . The Canadian Co contacted out company to doo the repairs , there was about 1 months work in it . We never got paid , we looked into taking them to court But were advised that it would cost us more to try to win the case than what we were owed. Just one of the risks dealing with O/S companies. We also had a client who manufactured transformers for the power industry who started getting the casing fabricated O/S , on arrival were found to have inferior wilds , so we got the job to gouge out the defective welds & repair , We did get paid for this work.

Originally Posted by W&KO

Let’s not paint all factories with the same brush with these generalizations.…..if you are dealing direct with factory and are having these issues than I guess it’s all about the detail in the contract you have in place.

We don’t have anybody based in China doing QA…..Rolls Royce and GE certainly didn’t have anybody on-site when I was there.

Generally a % is paid prior to despatch however there is generally a % withheld until we take delivery. This is standard no matter which country you purchase from including manufactures in Aus.

We’ve had no issues with warranty, not that we have had any as they quality is spot on. Had one minor issue and that was dealt with straight away locally in Aus. We have full confidence they will stand buy their product.

no issues with the factory we use trying to reduce quality…..again it’s the relationship that is built and contact that is in place.

After my trip to China I returned with a totally different view on how it works over their……

One thing that blew me away was there customer service….. I identified an improvement to the final product during the factory tour, within minutes all the right people were around the piece of equipment to discuss the changes……..by the time we had finished lunch in the owners private dining room on site drawings were waiting for us to sign off…..in Aus no chance of having it all sorted in 2 hours.

I was also impressed with they way they looked after their factory workers……they provided accommodation onsite and 3 meals a day. Sure only a small factory l, from memory 500,000m2 under roof and a few hundred employees.

*The fact are not generalizations, if you research this outside of your dealing with one factory in China you will see this.
*It is simply western businesses, Companies that take advantage of the situation with regards to the controlling Government in China to maximize their own profits.
*Why does the company you represent or work for get product/s made in China?
*I'm sure working and living conditions on display look very rosy for the western visitor to the factory, the same goes for the customer support.
*Doesnt look so good for the rural population or other ethnic minorities in China though.

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

Most of those worker's will be migrants from the countryside and if they or the factory can't or won't pay for their children's schooling in the city, they have to stay back at farm so to speak, this has lead to about 60 million "orphans" left (abandoned) to be cared for by grandparents, elder siblings, etc. An NGO said about a third end up with psychological, drug, crime problems, IIRC. There is lot more to a "supply chain" than just the goods that come out of a factory!

Left-behind children in China - Wikipedia

China's migrant worker crisis and the children that are left behind (sbs.com.au)

I wanted to reaffirm this, as just like with EV manufacturing the human cost is the most important yet rarely ever talked about.