Djokovic

I have reealised I said "Australian Immigration Register" when I should have said "Australian Immunisation Register". I have corrected this, but the quote is incorrect.

And as pointed out, in view of the fact that the whole approach by Djokovic has been to game the system, the validity of the test would certainly be suspect. But his overall attitude to the pandemic in general is certainly consistent with socialising unmasked while infectious, so I'm not sure whether that is useful as to whether or not he was infected.

"Should He Stay or He Go?"
Curtesy of the Clash.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

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And as pointed out, in view of the fact that the whole approach by Djokovic has been to game the system, the validity of the test would certainly be suspect. ....

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if you knew half of what the Immigration Department required of a VISA applicant, it appears that the only way to get easier approval for one(specific type in my situation) is that they expect you to 'game the system'.

It's ludicrous!

My partner and I are going through this process now:
So as to not to be seen to be 'gaming the system' we didn't do many of the things may have appeared to be so blatantly obvious that we would have been trying too.

Now upon using an immigration law firm, they explained to us that in not doing these things, our application doesn't seem genuine!
Makes absolutely no sense(to me at least).

You need to be seen to be doing something, doesn't matter how blatantly obvious it looks like gaming the system .. or you get rejected.

So with the benefit of hindsight now in having dealings with immigration .. Djokovic has really done nothing wrong in how he managed his entry VISA .. it's what is expected.

If you have never had these more complicated dealings with Immi, you can't fathom how the system works. [bighmmm]

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Originally Posted by AK83

if you knew half of what the Immigration Department required of a VISA applicant, it appears that the only way to get easier approval for one(specific type in my situation) is that they expect you to 'game the system'.

It's ludicrous!

My partner and I are going through this process now:
So as to not to be seen to be 'gaming the system' we didn't do many of the things may have appeared to be so blatantly obvious that we would have been trying too.

Now upon using an immigration law firm, they explained to us that in not doing these things, our application doesn't seem genuine!
Makes absolutely no sense(to me at least).

You need to be seen to be doing something, doesn't matter how blatantly obvious it looks like gaming the system .. or you get rejected.

So with the benefit of hindsight now in having dealings with immigration .. Djokovic has really done nothing wrong in how he managed his entry VISA .. it's what is expected.

If you have never had these more complicated dealings with Immi, you can't fathom how the system works. [bighmmm]

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Yes like you Ak83 we have just completed 8 years and some $20k plus going through this completely ludicrous situation, where the rules are changed on you retrospectively and you are not advised of the changes. It is beyond a joke and causes great personal distress, you are treated as a criminal if you can’t provide some documents. Had it not been for the immigration layers we used there would have been no way we could navigate the ‘process’. I’m sure there are teams of faceless people engage behind the scenes in immigration who’s entire role is to make things as difficult as possible!

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Originally Posted by travelrover

Yes like you Ak83 we have just completed 8 years and some $20k plus going through this completely ludicrous situation, where the rules are changed on you retrospectively and you are not advised of the changes. It is beyond a joke and causes great personal distress, you are treated as a criminal if you can’t provide some documents. Had it not been for the immigration layers we used there would have been no way we could navigate the ‘process’. I’m sure there are teams of faceless people engage behind the scenes in immigration who’s entire role is to make things as difficult as possible!

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LOL! ... we initially had some issues, due to the huge sticking point that we were not together for the required period before our application. Fair enough .. as they say rules are rules, and we abide by them.
Refused!
I wrote a letter to argue our point, and as we met just prior to pandemic, so our relationship evolved during the pandemic .. it was a time of much uncertainty and doubt. We're still together >2yrs later.
Anyhow, we received a reply, implying all good, continue and provide a lot of paperwork .. awesome sounded like we were going somewhere.

We had to wait a short time for some police check paperwork which as expected came back all clear .. but one week prior to submitting the police check, we had a message explaining that it was refused again as they felt we were not in a relationship!!

What??!! .. Why?
Because we hadn't gamed the system and provided 'proof' that we were together for this time.
Two stat decs from my mate and brother wasn't proof enough that I and partner were not in a relationship!
Why make us go through all this process(madly rushed a day or so after lockdown started to end).
What they wanted was any bogus photos of us together. They assume that couples always take selfie photos of themselves at every opportunity.
Yes, photos do get taken on 'occasions' .. such as parties, outings, etc.
During the last two years when Vic had been pretty much under lockdown, or threat of lockdown .. and SNAP lockdowns at that .. what freaking 'occasions' did they expect we were indulging in.

These morons simply have no idea what the real world is like.

For basically 9 months, we were stuck at home without any possibility to do anything or go anywhere. we did stuff when allowed, and it was so random and spur of the moment, it was basically just the two of us. Any plans to have get togethers with friends/family always had the consequence that lockdown was only a snap decision away.
(ps. a work mate planned and cancelled a wedding ceremony 5 times during the pandemic period).

We have photos together, not a lot, but some. For immi .. not enough so it seemed.
Where the 'gaming' comes into it .. and I seriously never thought this would ever be possible.
I invited my partner to come and live with me. I've owned my house now for over 20 years, all bills in my name for this time, even during prior marriage. Ex had some bills, but most were in my name. I've been on my own for a good 14+ years now .. so again all bills in my name.
What immi had issue with was that my partner and I had no bills in 'our' name! The most preposterous reason possible. Remember I invited her to come and live with me(she resisted till the very last moment) mid you during the hardest part of lockdown in 2020 too. I didn't invite her to live with me to 'pay my bills' it's my house onus is on me .. etc.

For immi tho, not good enough.

So this is how the gaming comes into it.

To note: this is not just my 'theory' of why my partners VISA was refused, it's the reasoning given to us, in writing, via the message from Immi!

If we had 'planned' it all, we would have created pseudo joint accounts in many aspects of every day life. Do all this bogus crap, and doesn't matter if you are partners or not .. have some bogus pics together, and some random bills together .. and they think you are partners!
It's this simple! Don't go into it with an 'Honest John' approach! They want you to game the system to get a VISA approved!
Al of this was confirmed to us by the law firm we have gone too to get the appeal done now.

It's just crazy.

We didn’t game the system, but we were advised by immigration when we applied for my (now) wife’s defacto spouse visa of what they’d like to see. One of those things was a joint bank account, so we opened one. Spent 6 months putting together a full lever-arch file of all the things they wanted and submitted the application and went fo the interview. “Don’t call us, we’ll call you sometime in the next 9 months”. 3 business days later we had the visa. Knock me down with a feather.

Musta been lucky I guess.

Oh yes it’s coming back to me now, we had the issue with no shared bills, nothing with her name at my home of 25 years too. Bank statement sorted that and joint accounts which we have never use. police checks in multiple territories cos we had lived in a number of countries in the preceding 10 years. Depending where you are coming from getting access to legit government issued documents can be very challenging and expensive requiring DAYS of queuing or paying someone to queue if you are out of the country to get these issued. And the endless requirements for photos…. As you say they have no idea how the real world lives!
But if you really want to stuff up the process get married in the middle of it. Clock goes to zero! WTF, we specifically asked this and was told no problem, yeah right! Levels of incompetence and stupidity

Really? It cost $20K just to get a visa to live in Australia?
Some folk must really want to be here.

As for photos together & joint bills etc, SWMBO & I have been married for 39 years & have about 4 photos of the 2 of us, funnily, because one of us is usually taking said photo. Our daughter may have more?
As for the bills side of stuff almost all our personal bills are in my name only, SWMBO just doesn't see the need to do that jointly, though we do have joint home loans & bank accounts.
Just seems silly.
Jonesfam
PS aA little while ago I had to get 100 points of identity, that was a struggle.

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Originally Posted by BradC

We didn’t game the system, but we were advised by immigration when we applied for my (now) wife’s defacto spouse visa of what they’d like to see. One of those things was a joint bank account, so we opened one. Spent 6 months putting together a full lever-arch file of all the things they wanted and submitted the application and went fo the interview. “Don’t call us, we’ll call you sometime in the next 9 months”. 3 business days later we had the visa. Knock me down with a feather.

Musta been lucky I guess.

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Yeah I would say you are very lucky!

Another issue I have:

I don't do selfies.
Of the 176,000 photos on my hard drives(about 1.5Tb of photos) .. I think I have 4 photos of myself. All taken by others.

I uploaded all the photos of my partner that I've taken over the past 2 years, to the law firms storage provided to us .. 64 Gb of jpgs! 900 jpg files.
This is to 'prove' that we have traveled to many places together, that I have photos of my partner .. She is an absolute doll, and very photogenic.
I'm a boofhead, ugly as sin, and usually crack very expensive lens glass, by way of comparison.

I explained this to the lawyers, and they seem to understand my issue.
But given the current almost maniacal need by social media types to get selfies of oneself on a minute by minute basis .. I don't think Immi gets it ... not everyone is hell bent on capturing petabytes of selfies.

Instructions from lawyers was to try to capture more selfies from now on(back in early Dec). .. ie. 'game the system'.

note here tho .. with my use of the term gaming the system .. I mean in my own situation .. literally go against my natural behaviour .. I don't do selfies .. but now I kind of 'have too' to get this VISA approved.

What of the legal stuff we both did?
What weight does two statutory declarations carry, versus meaningless 'selfies'?

It's just a totally stupid immigration system.

Point is, the comments about Djokovic gaming the system, is easy to see it that way from an outsiders perspective .. but once you've had to deal with immi .. you understand it's not gaming .. it's what's expected from the applicant. Don't judge so easily.